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GOSH I LOVE THAT BOOK!!!! cya (edit - of course I don't mean "real" war "rocks" in and of itself, or that any war is not also difficult and painful. I do mean that "fighting" for something that is good and right is, IMO, worth it.)
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Yeah but that's just self defence! You're scaring me.
I seriously have to get off Entmoot right now. My goodness. Goodnight everyone! Thanks for replying to my post R*an, I see I cut into your time in the Evidence for Creationism thread.
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03-22-2005, 06:57 PM | #263 | |
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I am actually very concerned with my sister - I feel that her husband is into this woman submission thing. My sister assures me he's just joking - but I look out for my sister. I get pissed when she's on the phone and he's there and I hear the baby crying and it doesn't seem like he's helping her at all. She assures me he helps at other times - I just wish I saw some evidence of it.
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Whenever I make a post, I always read it thru, because written communication is a lot tougher than verbal, so I like to be careful and accurate. I usually always end up editing a post, esp. if it's long or on a complex subject. In this case, from what I remember, I typed the post and entered it, and started reading the post to check for possible edits. I then took a brief, um, break , then finished reading it, and then hit the "edit" button (apparently after you posted your quote of my post). Obviously I was NOT able to see your post at this time, because I was still reading my post and the thread had not been able to update with your post. Then I edited the post and entered it. Then, and NOT before, I saw your post. At this point, solely out of courtesy, I decided to let you know that I had just edited the post, because I thought you might have been a little embarassed to quote something that was no longer there. I know that I would have appreciated that courtesy. I don't you if YOU would, but I did it because I knew that I would have appreciated it, and I was trying to be courteous to you. That's exactly what happened, as far as when I saw your post, and then why I told you the quoted section was now different than how I had just edited it. I was then really, really shocked and saddened to see that you thought I had edited it for unethical reasons, and especially to see that IYO, I had done this before Feel free to believe what you want, but I have never edited a post for unethical reasons, and I would never edit a post for reasons you suggested. What I described is exactly what happened. I never saw your post until after I finished editing my post, and it makes me very sad to hear that you think I was unethical
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That's fine. I have to leave now - I have a meeting.
But I don't understand why you owuld think I would be embarrassed by quoting you before you made an edit chnage. If anyone asked - I would say you must hjave edited your post. I think it would be more you whould would be embarrassed if someone noticed that - more than I would be.
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03-22-2005, 07:39 PM | #266 |
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It's just me - if I quoted someone, not realizing they had just changed it, and someone pointed out that I had quoted something that wasn't even there, I would feel a little embarassed, like maybe I made a mistake or something and quoted the wrong person or something. It's just me. I can get kinda shy, I guess. My only thought there was concern for you, that perhaps you would feel the same way. I thought, "oh my goodness, he didn't realize I was editing it - I'll go tell him so he can change it."
That's all. I'm goofy - what can I say? I won't tell you again unless you want me to.
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Maybe I should use the "preview" option! I think that's probably the best solution, because I really DO edit pretty much every long post.
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. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç å ™ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva! |
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Since this is the theology thread, I will take issue with your last. There is a just war. This has long been a contentious issue in Christendom since the legalization of Christianity under the Emperor Constantine. War is not a good thing in and of itself. But it is a justifiable action. Those who serve in the military can do so lawfully under God and human laws. They individually remain responsible for their actions. There are codes for the proper conduct of war. I agree that it is a terrible thing. I just cannot agree that it "never should be, never".
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i still do not agree with conflict, at all
and the term 'just war' may be bandied by anyone the crusades were 'just wars', to the europeans anyway, from the turkish point of view, however, they were a series of wars whereby the saracens and ottomans were expelled from their homeland, and from lands sacred to the islamic rleigion, simply because they were also sacred to the christian religion 'just' maybe, but from who's point of view? the invasion and annexation of tibet was 'just' to the chinese, however to the expelled gov't and the dalai lama, i hardly believe that it was 'just' |
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Nurv was teasing me, I was teasing back and making a point that the little "war" that I had was worth the fight. BTW, it was hard and painful, but WELL worth it.
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well, then I don't see why you quoted me and then talked about war, but that's ok
I was WAAAYY overstating things when I said "war rocks!" I was just really excited that we had worked some difficult things thru recently as a family, and worked them thru well and with dignity, and if I had been "submissive" in what I think is a WRONG sense, then these things would never have been worked on. I think it's great to "fight" for what you think is right, as long as the fight is with dignity and love and consideration of others.
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. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç å ™ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva! Last edited by Rían : 03-22-2005 at 08:41 PM. |
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So I hope I have presented what I think is an accurate picture of Biblical submission - it's a strong woman making her own choice to let her husband make final decisions when there is disagreement, as long as the decision is not clearly against God's will. It's my choice, and I think it's a good idea, and I choose to do it that way.
And I think men that think submission is an excuse to browbeat their wives and mistreat them should be shot. No, castrated! No, shot then castrated. No - that's no good - castrated then shot! I think it's a travesty for a man to use his strength to hurt a woman, when he should use it to bless her.
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i still don't quite understand, but that's just me and my psychosis
like i say, my mum is the top predator in my household, after her comes my older sister, then me and my twin sis, then my dad, so any form of submission would be too weid in my, ahem, 'worldview' |
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But, what we need to specify are what are the criteria for a just war, if you care to discuss it. Guten abend, mein Herr!
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Even preemptive assault can have really good reasoning, though. The side that initially launches an assault usually gets an advantage, like Japan did after Pearl Harbor. "For attack them before they attack you," to be justified, one has to have really good intelligence that they are a threat. I think preemptive assault on the behalf of your allies or friends can also be justified. It makes it so that the war has fewer casualties. The preemptive assault in Iraq was done with a major motive being that we keep Iraq from using its chemical and biological weapons to terrorize the world. Hence what we were doing was done with the goal of saving what could have been millions of lives. The recent war in Iraq was one of the most humane wars in history. If Iraq had possessed weapons of mass destruction, our preemptive assault would have taken an extremely small number of lives (by far the majority of these belonging to our enemies), while saving millions. That was an example of a preemptive war at its finest. I doubt that history will show many other conquests that have been that . . . tidy. Not that the aftermath has been all that tidy- I'm talking about the war itself, not all of these Syrian terrorists. Waiting for the enemy to attack you, when there is good reason to believe they eventually will, gives them time to get stronger and more powerful. It means that there will be more lives lost, on their side and on yours.
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