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I completely agree that diversity equals strength. So why not have the greater diversity of gay and straight people being able to marry?
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12-05-2005, 01:25 PM | #263 | |
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This in turn relates to the concept of gay marriage in that we shouldnt be making or KEEPING any discriminatory laws for gays either.
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(general question) - aren't there different entrance/qualification standards (physically) in the military for men and women?
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I think so, but they have to pass the same basic training regardless.
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For fire fighters in BC, the physical test you have to pass is the same for everyone. Lief (or anyone who cares to field this one), what law/s would you enact that would be different for men and women?
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Careful... the women will retaliate by petitioning to have 80% of all bathrooms be for females.
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Now THAT is VERY reasonable!
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Well, if you've ever been to a festival and seen the queues to the bogs I think there is an argument to be made there. Let's face it, us blokes would have a slash in our boots if there was no-one looking.
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I actually understood all that! That's hilarious Gaffer. (I know someone who actually did do that, in front of people (who mostly looked away), in a can. He had significant to drink. But never mind that.)
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I heard about this story. From what I understand, the two women wanted to rent a hall from the Knights of Columbus for their wedding. All was in order until the KoC found out they were gay and getting married in their hall, which they were not cool with. So they said they couldn't rent the hall, somewhat at the last minute, and gave them their deposit back. The problem here is not hurt feelings IMO, but the fact that KoC jammed out of a contract at the last minute for a non-essential reason, possibly threatening the wedding plans. I think religious beliefs are essential to this organisation (and there's nothing wrong with that), but they are not essential for business. If the KoC found out the two women wanted to rent the hall to do something outside of KoC's insurance, for example, that would have been another matter entirely. The KoC would have been wiser to put in their hall rental agreement that they do not rent the hall for gay marriages, practicing idolatry, and whatever else they wouldn't rent the hall for due to religious reasons. Being upfront would be far superior than jerking people around. Quote:
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This time though, there are useful statements. However, I think that the effect of no more tax incentives and the change to common-law marriage is being highly exaggerated. Inferences are being made based on a dislike of gay marriage rather than actual logic and reasoning. Firstly, common-law marriage is useless IMO and should be done away with altogether. If I had a male roommate for four years, why would we be suddenly married? Common-law marriage serves no useful purpose and should be scrapped. Secondly, I don't know why Americans are getting rid of tax incentives in marriage, but this action doesn't undermine marriage, it merely removes the financial benefits. I think tax incentives are beneficial in marriage, because it encourages people to take care of each other. Note that in Canada, tax incentives are only given when one spouse makes significantly more than the other (there's complicated rules about combined income and such). Two wealthy people don't get tax breaks just because they're married. Besides, how would taking away tax incentives undermine marriage? Is Butler-Sloss actually suggesting that most people get married for money, thus removing the financial benefit of marriage will undermine the institution? Some people do get married for money, but most people in our society marry for love. Therefore, since most people marry for love, legalizing gay marriage and making it completely equal to straight marriage will only serve to strengthen the institution. What do people generally mean anyway when they say gay marriage will undermine straight marriage? Undermine how? Undermine what, the numbers of people involved? Values of marriage? If it's values, why is it one group/person's values instead of another group/person's? These things need to be qualified. I look forward to discussing this. (Especially since I've finished two exams. Go me! )
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Actually, Nurv, that's Brit law. Civil Partnerships Act and whatnot.
But the elimination of tax incentives for marriage is a separate policy choice - it is a choice of either A) giving homosexual marriage the same tax incentive or B) eliminating the tax incentive for heterosexuals as well. Doing the latter in no way makes the homosexual marriage "favored" - it levels the playing field by bringing the heterosexual marriage down to the homosexual marriage'sl level, rather than bringing the homosexual marriage up. As for commonlaw marriage, I agree about its declining (to nonexistent) usefulness. Not sure what they mean by "heterosexuals in common-law relationships had been omitted from the provisions of the Civil Partnership Act" except that it appears (reading the text of the act from http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2004/20040033.htm) that perhaps common-law married people may actually ALSO engage in a civil partnership? It only exempts those "lawfully married" or engaged in a civil partnership. Again, not sure how that would be a bar, since if you're common-law married you'd sort of assume you don't plan to have a civil partnership...
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Oh my bad about the law. But my comments still stand since I wasn't aiming them at Americans. (I should have realized it was British since I quoted a Dame!)
We have common-law marriage in Canada too and I think it's dumb. I actually don't understand the whole civil union/marriage thing. What is the big fat difference anyway? I don't really think eliminating the tax incentive is bringing heterosexual marriage down at all, but it was a great benefit that encouraged people to take care of each other. I think, of course, that gay couples should have the same incentive to take care of each other. I'm not completely sure on the fine points of Canadian marriage laws, but I think gay couples do get the same tax benefits, visitation rights, etc. that married straight couples get. That would be consistent with the Supreme court ruling.
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Oh yeah I get what you're saying now.
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As CC said, the tax thing is an entirely unrelated issue. I too look forward to hearing how gay marriage undermines marriage in general. |
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Hey-ho, hey-ho, it's a plurality for ...
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Conten...pqobc.asp?pg=1 Told ya this would happen! Is it a homosexual marriage, a bisexual marriage, a menage a trois legalized, a shack-up with legal protections, or what?
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