Discrimination - Page 14

Arien the Maia · 07-19-2006, 08:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lizra

Pah! There is no god.......

my word against yours

I would say prove me wrong but this is the wrong thread for that

Spock · 07-19-2006, 08:49 PM

WE HAVE THREADS ON RELIGION AND THREAD TOPICS ON GAYS AND THIS ISN'T ONE OF THEM.

PLEASE KEEP YOUR POSTS RELEVANT TO THE TOPIC TITLE.

Gwaimir Windgem · 07-19-2006, 09:28 PM

Liz, just a quick note to say: there is nothing new in what you posted.

(Sorry Spock!)

inked · 05-29-2007, 03:28 PM

Discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation...in Australia!!!

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php...show_article=1

Didn't they try this in Britain and we had a discussion on why/why not ? Anyway, looks like a coming idea..............................................

inked · 08-19-2007, 08:39 PM

ALL your children belong to us...........

http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2007/aug/07081701.html

ahhh, Canada..........................

brownjenkins · 08-19-2007, 08:54 PM

Fear is the root of discrimination. If evolution and homosexuality are so wrong, trust in the people to learn the truth for themselves. So little respect for the children's intelligence.

inked · 08-19-2007, 10:44 PM

BJ, aren't you being a bit inconsistent?

"And, while we obviously can't make parents care, or even devise a government system that takes the place of "good" parents, we can provide a system that does a lot to make up for "bad" parents."

So these parents aren't entitled to be good parents because the government has decided what children must learn...and you happen to agree with it? Le't say that the government decided that you shouldn't teach evolution or homosex. Would you still trust the children...and the government?

Just wondering of course.....

***Jonathan*** · 08-20-2007, 04:41 AM

That quote comes from BJ's post about home schooling. He also said: "It's not a question of what is better, but whether a child will get education at all."

Nerdanel · 08-20-2007, 05:47 AM

I want to go to Canada, where they teach homosexuality! How do they do that? Sounds interesting, have to say. Canada is more exotic than I realized.

***Jonathan*** · 08-20-2007, 06:08 AM

Homosexuality is discussed as an intergrated part of sex ed in other places. Is Canada any different?

Nerdanel · 08-20-2007, 08:12 AM

So they also teach heterosexuality? How exactly do you teach a sexuality? I might be wrong, and it might be that my English isn't perfect, but do you really say that when you talk about different sexualities, i.e. mention them etc., you teach sexualities? In my ears it sounds quite weird. And if that is what teaching homosexuality is: do the schools that don't "teach homosexuality" not even mention it, or do they just casually condemn it?

Might just be me, though.

brownjenkins · 08-20-2007, 09:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by inked

BJ, aren't you being a bit inconsistent?

"And, while we obviously can't make parents care, or even devise a government system that takes the place of "good" parents, we can provide a system that does a lot to make up for "bad" parents."

So these parents aren't entitled to be good parents because the government has decided what children must learn...and you happen to agree with it? Le't say that the government decided that you shouldn't teach evolution or homosex. Would you still trust the children...and the government?

Just wondering of course.....

Children should learn about everything they will experience later in life, whether good or bad. This includes homosexuality and evolution. It also includes things like comparative religions.

Put it all on the table for them and let the kids decide. If the Mennonite values are superior, they have nothing to fear by presenting alternate values that exist in our society.

inked · 08-20-2007, 09:22 AM

You avoid the question of government intervention because you agree with it in the case cited, BJ. What if the government requirement was that Mennonite values be taught in the schools?

And I quote, "Since being PC is really just trying to legislate morality, I'd have to agree."

Insidious Rex · 08-20-2007, 02:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nerdanel

So they also teach heterosexuality? How exactly do you teach a sexuality?

Yeah Ive offered to teach heterosexuality myself for free many times but usually the parents dont appreciate that...

So whats the problem here exactly? They dont want to risk their kids learning to be open minded about homosexuality or being made aware what a ridiculous myth creationism is so they want to leave. Problem solved. Why the fuss? Move to Kansas would be my advice. They tend to embrace ignorance and bigotry when it comes to education. Its a proud american tradition in fact.

brownjenkins · 08-20-2007, 03:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by inked

You avoid the question of government intervention because you agree with it in the case cited, BJ. What if the government requirement was that Mennonite values be taught in the schools?

And I quote, "Since being PC is really just trying to legislate morality, I'd have to agree."

If Mennonite values were a big part of a given community, it would make sense to teach their values. But not to the exclusion of all else. I'd do it in a comparative religions or philosophy class.

I've argued in the past that I think a course which studies all the major religions of the world should be just as much required as History or Science (when I went to high school, it was only an optional half-year elective). Religion, in all it's flavors, is a big part of our world, and children should be exposed to it's many forms.

But homosexuality is also a part of our world, as is evolutionary theory. The role of school is to fill in all those gaps about our world that children don't get at home. This doesn't mean we have to teach our children about every obscure cultural practice that exists in our world, but to not cover the main ones for no other reason than an irrational fear that the children might actually come to understand them is irresponsible.

I am against people trying to ban certain things from being taught just because they don't agree with them.

If a hypothetical religious group had scriptual text that prohibited the practice of mathmatics, should we excuse their children from math class?

inked · 08-20-2007, 11:04 PM

That's a crazy hypothetical because taxation would never be anywhere near 99%.

GrayMouser · 08-21-2007, 07:29 AM

Fascism! The government is actually demanding that science, not fairy tales, be taught in science class.

brownjenkins · 08-21-2007, 10:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by inked

That's a crazy hypothetical because taxation would never be anywhere near 99%.

How about religious groups that refuse to accept the validity of the medical practice?

inked · 08-21-2007, 10:02 PM

They die at a natural rate of natural causes. Think third world life expectancies versus first world one. Ce la vie! Que sera, sera!

brownjenkins · 08-22-2007, 10:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by inked

Ce la vie! Que sera, sera!

I prefer to think that govenments should at least attempt to prepare their children for the real world.

07-19-2006, 08:49 PM	#262
Spock An enigma in a conundrum Join Date: Oct 1999 Posts: 6,476	Enough Already WE HAVE THREADS ON RELIGION AND THREAD TOPICS ON GAYS AND THIS ISN'T ONE OF THEM. PLEASE KEEP YOUR POSTS RELEVANT TO THE TOPIC TITLE.

07-19-2006, 09:28 PM	#263
Gwaimir Windgem Dread Mothy Lord and Halfwitted Apprentice Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Thomas Aquinas College, Santa Paula, CA Posts: 10,820	Liz, just a quick note to say: there is nothing new in what you posted. (Sorry Spock!) __________________ Crux fidelis, inter omnes arbor una nobilis. Nulla talem silva profert, fronde, flore, germine. Dulce lignum, dulce clavo, dulce pondus sustinens. 'With a melon?' - Eric Idle

05-29-2007, 03:28 PM	#264
inked Elf Lord Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: sikeston, MO, usa, earth, sol Posts: 3,114	Discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation...in Australia!!! http://www.breitbart.com/article.php...show_article=1 Didn't they try this in Britain and we had a discussion on why/why not ? Anyway, looks like a coming idea.............................................. __________________ Inked "Aslan is not a tame lion." CSL/LWW "The new school [acts] as if it required...courage to say a blasphemy. There is only one thing that requires real courage to say, and that is a truism." GK Chesterton "And there is always the danger of allowing people to suppose that our modern times are so wholly unlike any other times that the fundamental facts about man's nature have wholly changed with changing circumstances." Dorothy L. Sayers, 1 Sept. 1941

08-19-2007, 08:39 PM	#265
inked Elf Lord Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: sikeston, MO, usa, earth, sol Posts: 3,114	ALL your children belong to us........... http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2007/aug/07081701.html ahhh, Canada.......................... __________________ Inked "Aslan is not a tame lion." CSL/LWW "The new school [acts] as if it required...courage to say a blasphemy. There is only one thing that requires real courage to say, and that is a truism." GK Chesterton "And there is always the danger of allowing people to suppose that our modern times are so wholly unlike any other times that the fundamental facts about man's nature have wholly changed with changing circumstances." Dorothy L. Sayers, 1 Sept. 1941

08-19-2007, 08:54 PM	#266
brownjenkins Advocatus Diaboli Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Reality Posts: 3,767	Fear is the root of discrimination. If evolution and homosexuality are so wrong, trust in the people to learn the truth for themselves. So little respect for the children's intelligence. __________________ Your reality, sir, is lies and balderdash and I'm delighted to say that I have no grasp of it whatsoever.

08-19-2007, 10:44 PM	#267
inked Elf Lord Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: sikeston, MO, usa, earth, sol Posts: 3,114	BJ, aren't you being a bit inconsistent? "And, while we obviously can't make parents care, or even devise a government system that takes the place of "good" parents, we can provide a system that does a lot to make up for "bad" parents." So these parents aren't entitled to be good parents because the government has decided what children must learn...and you happen to agree with it? Le't say that the government decided that you shouldn't teach evolution or homosex. Would you still trust the children...and the government? Just wondering of course..... __________________ Inked "Aslan is not a tame lion." CSL/LWW "The new school [acts] as if it required...courage to say a blasphemy. There is only one thing that requires real courage to say, and that is a truism." GK Chesterton "And there is always the danger of allowing people to suppose that our modern times are so wholly unlike any other times that the fundamental facts about man's nature have wholly changed with changing circumstances." Dorothy L. Sayers, 1 Sept. 1941

08-20-2007, 04:41 AM	#268
*Jonathan* Entmoot Attorney-General, Equilibrating the Scales of Justice, Administrator ♎ Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Stockholm, Sweden Posts: 3,891	That quote comes from BJ's post about home schooling. He also said: "It's not a question of what is better, but whether a child will get education at all." __________________ An unwritten post is a delightful universe of infinite possibilities. Set down one word, however, and it immediately becomes earthbound. Set down one sentence and it’s halfway to being just like every other bloody entry that’s ever been written. ☻

08-20-2007, 05:47 AM	#269
Nerdanel Spammer of the Happy Thread Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Helsinki, Finland Posts: 3,512	I want to go to Canada, where they teach homosexuality! How do they do that? Sounds interesting, have to say. Canada is more exotic than I realized. __________________ "Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known. " - C. Sagan My (photography) website My Flickr page

08-20-2007, 06:08 AM	#270
*Jonathan* Entmoot Attorney-General, Equilibrating the Scales of Justice, Administrator ♎ Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Stockholm, Sweden Posts: 3,891	Homosexuality is discussed as an intergrated part of sex ed in other places. Is Canada any different? __________________ An unwritten post is a delightful universe of infinite possibilities. Set down one word, however, and it immediately becomes earthbound. Set down one sentence and it’s halfway to being just like every other bloody entry that’s ever been written. ☻

08-20-2007, 08:12 AM	#271
Nerdanel Spammer of the Happy Thread Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Helsinki, Finland Posts: 3,512	So they also teach heterosexuality? How exactly do you teach a sexuality? I might be wrong, and it might be that my English isn't perfect, but do you really say that when you talk about different sexualities, i.e. mention them etc., you teach sexualities? In my ears it sounds quite weird. And if that is what teaching homosexuality is: do the schools that don't "teach homosexuality" not even mention it, or do they just casually condemn it? Might just be me, though. __________________ "Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known. " - C. Sagan My (photography) website My Flickr page

08-20-2007, 09:22 AM	#273
inked Elf Lord Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: sikeston, MO, usa, earth, sol Posts: 3,114	You avoid the question of government intervention because you agree with it in the case cited, BJ. What if the government requirement was that Mennonite values be taught in the schools? And I quote, "Since being PC is really just trying to legislate morality, I'd have to agree." __________________ Inked "Aslan is not a tame lion." CSL/LWW "The new school [acts] as if it required...courage to say a blasphemy. There is only one thing that requires real courage to say, and that is a truism." GK Chesterton "And there is always the danger of allowing people to suppose that our modern times are so wholly unlike any other times that the fundamental facts about man's nature have wholly changed with changing circumstances." Dorothy L. Sayers, 1 Sept. 1941 Last edited by inked : 08-20-2007 at 09:26 AM.

08-20-2007, 11:04 PM	#276
inked Elf Lord Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: sikeston, MO, usa, earth, sol Posts: 3,114	That's a crazy hypothetical because taxation would never be anywhere near 99%. __________________ Inked "Aslan is not a tame lion." CSL/LWW "The new school [acts] as if it required...courage to say a blasphemy. There is only one thing that requires real courage to say, and that is a truism." GK Chesterton "And there is always the danger of allowing people to suppose that our modern times are so wholly unlike any other times that the fundamental facts about man's nature have wholly changed with changing circumstances." Dorothy L. Sayers, 1 Sept. 1941

08-21-2007, 07:29 AM	#277
GrayMouser Elf Lord Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Ilha Formosa Posts: 2,068	Fascism! The government is actually demanding that science, not fairy tales, be taught in science class. __________________ Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep. Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man; But will they come when you do call for them? "I like pigs. Dogs look up to us, cats look down on us, but pigs treat us as equals."- Winston Churchill

08-21-2007, 10:02 PM	#279
inked Elf Lord Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: sikeston, MO, usa, earth, sol Posts: 3,114	They die at a natural rate of natural causes. Think third world life expectancies versus first world one. Ce la vie! Que sera, sera! __________________ Inked "Aslan is not a tame lion." CSL/LWW "The new school [acts] as if it required...courage to say a blasphemy. There is only one thing that requires real courage to say, and that is a truism." GK Chesterton "And there is always the danger of allowing people to suppose that our modern times are so wholly unlike any other times that the fundamental facts about man's nature have wholly changed with changing circumstances." Dorothy L. Sayers, 1 Sept. 1941

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