05-24-2005, 01:33 PM | #261 | |
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oh, come on Chrys, you can't make a sweeping statement like that and not expect me to call you on it? Defend that with some data.
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Wise words and no doubt well meant: is this then a universal position? Can we ALL agree to agree to this distinction in good faith? In genuine hope BB |
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05-24-2005, 06:00 PM | #264 | |
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I take issue with your statement
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among them the following is true of Roman marriage: "Unless there was connubium there could be no Roman marriage. Connubium is defined by Ulpian (Frag. v.3) to be "uxoris jure ducendae facultas", or the faculty by which a man may make a woman his lawful wife" There is much more but I don't want to swamp the boards band width.
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I shall quote direct from Suetonius, if i may:
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05-24-2005, 07:37 PM | #266 |
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a: Nero was one person, homosexual by historical records
b: Nero does not equal a societal group c: faulty logic equals faulty statements
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picking up the guardian today, what do i read?
yes that's right! one of the first lesbians to legally 'marry' is in fact a vicar! food for thought |
05-25-2005, 08:30 AM | #268 |
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...I could quote Archie Bunker on that but I won't
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*reference for gay vicar marriage:http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0...355078,00.html
I do not know which Archie Bunker-ism you intend, Spock, so enlighten me, at least ! My own "ink-ism" is that nailing the bride in this case has placed another nail in the coffin of the Anglican Communion! But that's whole blogs of material, that is! *Posting of this data and reference in no way implies an endorsement of this practice as the poster does not believe this partnering constitutes marriage for all the reasons previously outline.*
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Personally, I don't think that tolerance and gay marriages is hurting Anglicanism at all! Rather, I think it strengthens us. Yes, this issue has squarely divided us down the middle (more or less), but sometimes conflict is necessary to advance civil rights, and evolve as a community in a positive direction. I think this is one of those times.
My hope is that the liberal and conservative Anglicans* don't become too divided, there are many people that I like a lot in my church that I still want to be part of the same congregation, even though we don't agree on this issue. (I haven't attended my church in about four years, but that's entirely not the point. ) Just to clarify though, you're not Anglican are you? It's not a big deal, but I think I erroneously stated you were once because you had linked to an article about us or something. *Naturally, there are divisions within these groups too, but you could make a few large generalizations and divide Anglicans into these two diverse groups.
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(according to what you think is true, obviously) 2. sure, but I hope you would agree that the vast majority have been a man and woman.
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05-26-2005, 08:10 PM | #273 |
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Inked, I just wanted you to know, I wrote an essay about how allowing gay marriage destroys our society (just because I thought it'd be easier to argue that way, for various reasons- I don't agree with my own article though and I'm all for gay marriage). Anyway, I used that article you posted back on page 4. So, you know, thank you. It helped me out considerably.^^
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Regardless of what is the answer to this question; I don't see how it could help us. Even if we were to find out that most of the institutions that we now call marriages, but were radically different one from the other, had in common to be between a man and woman, that would not be anything more than a historical regularity. Nothing that I think is important (of course there are posters on this forum that regard tradition as important, but I do not; I think that doing the right thing is more important) |
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05-27-2005, 11:06 AM | #275 |
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"doing the right thing" is subjective and negates the rule of law which is necessary in order for a civilization to survive.
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05-27-2005, 05:48 PM | #276 |
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Well, here's to another blow to marriage! If it can be shown on the Telly, can Britains be far behind in promoting interspecies marriage? After all, marriage is merely a societal code, right?
http://media.guardian.co.uk/site/sto...1990%2C00.html I wish I were jesting, before you ask!
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For the Americans to call the brits wacky seems a bit much!
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IYO which is different than societies view.
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