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I think he goes by Baranedhel more than Moriquendi.
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I don't know, but I would think the schools would let them go do their prayers; otherwise, they'd be liable to face charges of religious discrimination.
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Yep, those same idiots who voted him the thirteenth greatest American... Some people can be less than bright.
All right then, as you consider him a prophet, what is your opinion on when the Jews had him crucified? Was this another time the people of Israel strayed from the path of God, or something else? That was what I wanted to ask, but since none of the other Jews here considered him a prophet, I couldn't very wel.
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And about the Messiah thing, yes we believe that he hasn't come yet, and that when he comes, he will bring peace to the world. That is one reason why we don't believe that Jesus is the Messiah; the world isn't a peaceful place. We never went over the thing you said about women in Hebrew School either.
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The Romans crucified him, but according to Christianity the Jews had him crucified, especially the Pharisees. Lemme see if I can dig up the story:
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Slightly off-topic, but has anyone here ever seen the play Jerusalem? It's hilarious...and it's sort of relevant to the discussion...
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I never have.
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I have a bit of a problem - the more I read these religious threads the less I seem to fit in with a particular dogma or whatever. So maybe some of you can help me classify myself. I believe in God the father, the Son & the Holy Ghost, but I also think that he might not be the only godly creature. I believe that we are rewarded for goodness & punished for evil (how I do not know & how to define these I'm not quite sure of either). I believ in evolution (there is too much scientific evidence that irrefutably proves that the evolution of species have occured over a long period of time), but I also believe that God has created man (IMO God might have created a very primitive mankind that has evolved over time, according to the specific needs for survival) - I do not believe in the "Big Bang" theory as held by many people, 'cos I always come back to the question that ok - it might have happened, but who created the space & time for it to have happened in? I believe that there is beauty & power in nature that needs to be revered, but not necessarily treated as godly creatures (to me they are all intertwined & interdependant). I also believe that Christians, Jews, Hindus, Muslems etc all pray to the same god - in different ways & they call him by different names, but it's the same person. The godly beings I envision when I feel 'spiritual' are sexless, but have certain gender traits ascribed to them according to what I believe them to be involved with. Does this make sense to anyone? I do classify myself as Christian, but some sort of 'enlightened & questioning' Christianity. That might sound pretentious, but I will qualify the statement if required. For instance, I do not believe that homosexuality is a sin, neither is abortionor pre-marital sex. However, according to strict Christian (as well as (fundamentally) the other religions) these things are sins & we should feel oh so guilty for them & constantly repent about it (one major problem I have with Catholisism - repenting your sins to a man - I always have this vision of 'buying' redemption & according to the word of God redemption id not for sale). perhaps I'm a pro-choice Christian?
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most Jews would deny Jesus is a prophet-the Talmud says some rather uncomplementary things about Jesus. Most Jews would not echo such lines, but they would say Jesus was at most a reformist rabbi with good intentions and very good press. There is a Jewish saying that "there is one messiah every generation"- that is the messiah is ready if we're ready for it. The messiah is just an extraordinary man, no immaculate conception needed. The requirements for Jewish prophecy are stringent, I can't list them for you, but a good translation of Maimonides "Mishnah Torah" will have a list of the criterea for an accepted prophet. Prophecy was said to be ended with the last book of the prophets Malachi.
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You're thinking indulgences. Those went out a long time ago. That's the one where you "buy" redemption. Though I feel I must point out that according to the Bible, homosexuality and pre-marital sex are wrong, and there are verses which can very easily be used to say the same of abortion. All right, the Jewish religious leaders had him crucified. Is that better? (realise this sounds a bit sarcastic, but it's not; I'm being sincere) Hello, markedel! Don't run off, I have more questions for you! (other Jews are, of course, free to answer them. The more the merrier! ) Quote:
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As for the pre-marital sex & homosexuality references, this is exactly why I do not agree with calling myself totally Christian & why it seems by belief system (as far as religion goes) is all screwed up (if measured according to the things I've read on this board & others - it makes perfect sense to me & I guess that's all that really matters) - these things could never be wrong in my eyes, if we couldn't choose things for ourselves, why give us the gift of free will? Or should free will only be used restrictively i.e we can choose were we live, but we cannot choose our own sexuality, our own path in life?
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Tho' I believe the most important thing about Christianity is that if you "believe in your heart and confess with your mouth that Jesus Christ is Lord, you shall be saved".
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Gwaim, do you suppose I'm the only person with the belief system I've mentioned? Or are there others? How are they classified? (this is not a sarcastic question btw - I really want to know - must have something to do with man's inherent longing to belong). So far you've told me why you disagree with some of my statements (though they were made to tell you what I believe) but you've not managed to answer the question originally posed. Arch, this is really starting to sound bizarre & like I'm picking on you - I'm not. Maybe I should just bugger off outa this thread & leave it to people who know what they are talking about.
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Kabbalah is Jewish mysticism. It is a certain way of approaching and interperting the Torah. My suggestion would be to go to sites like JewFAQ and the like for the basics. I know a little about Kabbalah, but not enough so I could explain it to someone who has scanty Jewish knowledge. It lets you look at Judaism is an entirely different light. It is not a belief system as such-it is in accord with orthodox Jewish practice.
I take golem with a grain of salt-folktales are interesting for what they tell, not for their factual value. Considering that I don't strictly follow Jewish law I can't comment on the third, but to actually not have a place in "the world to come" is a fairly difficult thing to do (though it happens, or so tradition says). I see nothing wrong with animal sacrifice, I eat meat after all. There are varying interpertations (non-orthodox and orthodox) over how the Temple will operate when it is rebuilt. Some de-emphasize animal sacrifice (notably Maimonides), some don't. And I wouldn't say Jewish religious authorities crucified Jesus, though they might not have minded-lots of "false messiahs" got crucified by Romans with the aquiescence of collaberationist Jews. The Pharisees (the predecessors and basis of rabbinic Judaism) were not looked on that favorably by the establishment. Such charismatic individuals were percieved to be a threat to Rome's authority. The Jewish revolt some 30 years after Jesus' death failed in part because of Jewish disunity, not just because of Rome's legions. In fact the rabbis say the second temple was destroyed because of "Sinat Chinam" roughly translated in bitter internal strife.
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I take then, markedel, that you believe that it is real?
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-sigh- No, that is not what I am saying at all. I wish people would stop taking what I say and twisting it to make me sound like a monster. I'm getting very tired of it. I said that the same argument could be used to validate theft, rape, and murder, not that they were the same thing. It would be ridiculous to say that this means that theft and murder are the same thing, so why say it means that child-rape and homosexuality are, if not to try and make me seem bad? Yes, there are people who just throw the biblical teachings out of the window and say it's outdated; I'm not entirely sure if this is what you mean, though. I don't think there's really a term for them, tho'. Many people claim to be Christian, yet believe that there is no God; Father, Son, or Holy Ghost. To me, this is as ridiculous as Modern Satanism taking such a name, when it does not believe in Satan. There are some who try to make Christianity into pantheism; some who try to make it into New Age. I'm certain that the first of those three doesn't fit you, and I don't think the others do. I don't really know if there is a name for those who do not accept the Word of God, but look to themselves for Truth, yet still believe that there is a Trinity Godhead. In a sentence: Sorry, I don't know what they would be classified as. But I'm sure there are numerous others like you; in a general sense, I believe that the majority of those who call themselves Christians are. In this general sense (i.e. those who do not believe in the Bible), these would be called "liberal" Christians. But in a more specific sense, I have no idea what one with your beliefs would be. Sorry.
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