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02-01-2007, 09:25 AM | #268 |
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Wouldn't part of the question
be whether marriage, as part of the pursuit of happiness, is an inalienable right?
The Founders were, I think, pretty clear on government being limited. I know Jefferson was. http://etext.virginia.edu/jefferson/...s/jeff0100.htm |
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To some extent I can understand where they're coming from; I've read Leviticus, and if you believe it then that's that. So there's a basic clash of values going on. But if you're going to have anti-discrimination laws then you have to apply them: by their nature, they only reason for having them is because such a value clash exists. I take it those agencies also refuse to place children with couples who wear garments woven from more than one type of textiles or women who uncover their heads in church... |
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02-01-2007, 01:15 PM | #270 | |
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If there was a papal bull requiring good Catholics to run adoption agencies, do you suppose that would resolve this funding issue? The Vatican must have a suggestion box, somewhere. They'd probably be thrilled to hear from someone about something other than the ordination of women, for a change. |
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Or people who have sex during menstruation...
Or people who have tattoos... Or people who don't have beards... |
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And yes, it is a prohibition of the free practice of the Catholic religion for adoption agency workers. But anyway, it is not impinging on homosexual rights to adoption; only on the rights of homosexuals to force people to procure adoptions for them against their own conscience. They are free to go elsewhere for adoptions. So, someone here give a real answer: WHY does the government not simply ban religion, or at least conservative non-Islamic religion, since it is so antagonistic to it and clearly prohibits the free exercise of religion? Quote:
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In brief: Me: "Any reading of Scripture which is not incredibly contorted will see that it considers homosexuality to be abnormal, and homosexual acts to be sinful." You: "That's not quite true. Some Christians don't think the Bible matters." I don't see how that statement contradicts what I said. What debate are you claiming has existed as long as religion has?
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