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11-04-2005, 05:36 PM | #262 |
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They are still scientists. They are just wrong.
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Well we dont have to call them 'wrong'. How about just mistaken?
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About the degree thing... just because a person has a degree doesn't meen he's a scientist. It might be an English degree. This degree is also perfectly valid and the holder's opinions shouldn't be looked down upon.
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However, doesn't it go chemicals -> RNA -> another step or something -> RNA is part of living cell? (See academic disclaimer below. ) While this complex experiment isn't necessarily impossible, I don't think we can currently re-create all the necessary conditions. However, this would be the awesomest experiment ever and I hope someone does it. 2. IIRC, the Urey-Miller experiment tested the theory of RNA strands evolving due to the presence of certain abiotic conditions and chemicals in the environment. I can just imagine my first year biology prof who has a blue belt in tae kwon do threatening to kick me in the head for abusing this theory so much. ) It has been 3 years since I studied this experiment so if I make a mistake, this does not necessarily mean this experiment and/or related theories are faulty. Academic disclaimer aside, I think it's interesting to discuss a theory about the origins of RNA along with explaining the structure and function etc. of RNA. These discussions also lead nicely into talking about evolutionary theory, theories about the development of RNA into DNA (see disclaimer), and other ideas related to evolutionary theory. EDIT: Actually IR, Rohirrim TR does have a point. You usually employ very logical arguments when you say why you feel someone is wrong. I thought your tongue was firmly in cheek when you said that; tone is hard to discern from text.
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Actually I think it's quite a good site in many ways, but makes some grave errors and oversights in its analyses.
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I think the most promising area of ID is signal analysis, which is certainly scientific. But that's just an ex-radar-person speaking
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It posits a supernatural explanation for events. It does not provide proof of said supernatural force's existence, save pointing at nature and saying "it is complex, therefore it is designed." Without proof, the supernatural is inherently [UN]scientific. Science looks for natural causes for phenomena.
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I believe that is not true, and I'll try to explain why again, hopefully a little better
(What, are you guys like my kids, not listening to me? (joke!) ) I'll see if I can pick up the subject and try again on Monday, esp. for Nurvi, with a general overview of what I think is the scientific part and why (do you mean "unscientific" in your third sentence?)
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(yes, thank you).
We're like your kids? You're like the kids I used to teach (joke.) I'm not saying that ID or creationism are wrong. I do believe that they are wrong - don't misunderstand me there - but that is a separate contention. Here I am just saying this, in its most basic form: Science studies only the natural ID and creationism posit the supernatural Therefore ID and creationism are not science Says nothing about whether the supernatural exists or not. But you must concede that given our present knowledge, a being capable of intelligent design or creation of life is supernatural. Godlike, perhaps. Real, perhaps. But supernatural regardless.
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(teacher, teacher, I don't understand ... can I go to the bathroom? )
More Monday - I've come down with a cold, and I have soccer games in the morning and company in the afternoon... I enjoy discussing things with you, Count
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evolution is a scientific theory, so people who study it are scientists ID and creation are NOT scientific theories, so people who study it are NOT scientists (they may be scientists according to other things they study, but not when it comes to ID/creation) ID/creation has NO SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE... ZERO, ZILTCH, NADA, NAUGHT!!!
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Interesting article from newscientist:
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Interesting article Boppy. And R*an and Count Comfect, you guys rock. I like reading your discussions.
R*an, what did you think of my answer to question 2 (about the Urey-Miller experiment and stuff)? Feel free to wait after soccer and company.
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What about Miller-Urey? Didn't they mix together a bunch of hypothetical molecules and come out with only one or two of the many amino acids that exist today?
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The connections are undeniable. They are made in mainstream science. I have provided links and examples from textbooks. I hope I have cleared that one up for good. Yes, they are separate fields. But to say they have nothing to do with each other is just wishful thinking on the part of evolutionists, IMO.
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