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12-09-2003, 10:58 AM | #263 |
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i'd have to say Finrod and Fëanor, they seemed to be the most "human" characters to me... Finrod is an obvious choice, his selflessness on may occasions, bravery, etc.
Fëanor, while he certainly had his faults, is someone i can understand, he seemed to have a passion for life greater than any other, and i think his actions were more inspired by a yearning to be free (the "i'd rather rule in hell than serve in heaven" thing) and grief for his father's death... everyone assumes that he was solely driven by a desire to get the silmarils back, but i think revenge for his father's death played a big, if not even bigger part in his decision (after all, he had already lost his mother, and it is easy to see how he might blame himself for that loss, as well as the loss of his father)... plus, if not for Fëanor, one would have to assume that all the lands outside of valinor would still be in the thrall of morgroth |
12-09-2003, 01:40 PM | #264 |
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Hmmm...I dunno...I guess Id have to say (again!) Finrod Felagund!!!!!!!!!!!
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12-12-2003, 03:24 PM | #265 |
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Well, Gil-Galad is more mysterious, but Finrod was selfless and upright, so I guess I'll go with him. Darn it, why didn't JRRT finish The Fall of Gil-Galad?
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12-20-2003, 06:13 PM | #266 |
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i love Turgon
just love the hidded city of Gondolin if only maeglin... grrrrrr ! But even Finrod is really cool ! |
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12-23-2003, 10:25 AM | #269 |
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It can only be Fingolfin my daddy
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12-23-2003, 11:16 AM | #272 |
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Neneh. You have to love Turukáno for the last stand at the white tower.
Findekáno the valiant is also a favourite.
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12-23-2003, 11:20 AM | #274 |
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Good girl.
Hehe, I edited the names while you were posting. Those Quenya names are so beautiful.
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12-23-2003, 12:33 PM | #275 |
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I will have no bad mouthing of Turgon. what would you have wanted him to do??? come running out of Gondolin with a big sign on top of his head saying IM THE KING OF THE NOLDOR MORGOTH!!!! COME AND KILL ME!!!!!!!
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at the risk of eternal wrath from SGH, one could say that from a purely "do what is best for your people" point of view, Finrod's oath to Barahir and subsequent decision to personally fulfill it may have not been the best decision either
one can not doubt his heart... but i think he may have missed the bigger picture at that point... and his people certainly could have used his guidance later
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i agree... i was just comparing this with turgon... his downfall was trusting his grandson, also a very honorable sentiment
i understand the oath, but i think that during the beren incident finrod should have anticipated trouble with celegorm and curufin and taken care of them first... if this was done it is likely that he could have put together a much larger party to accompany beren and he may have not had to personally take part in it... or if he did, he may not have perished we do see this theme over and over again, the downfall of the great a result of being too trusting (even the valar made this mistake with melkor)... it doesn't make turgon and finrod bad rulers, just "human"
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Human? Well, I believe Turgon's downfall was due to his pride more than anything. I would be interested in hearing how you think Finrod could have taken care of Feanor's sons at that point. Remember, they came to Nargothrond for refuge with many of their people and swelloed its strength. Finrod tells Beren that they had won a strong rule in the kingdom.
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