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And so, we see that this post was about 98% style, and 2% substance.
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"And so, we see that this post was about 98% style, and 2% substance"
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[quote] Tell it to the parents of non Christian (or non fundamentalist) kids who have had Christian parents try to force schools to teach creationism and/or intelligent design to their children despite their objections.[quote] In very limited areas, assuming you are referring to public schools. And (at least theoretically), even that is supposed to be teaching both as theories, and neither as absolute. Quote:
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I don't know what to think of you anymore Gwai.
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Gwai wrote " Will you please quit with the assumptions that everyone who disapproves of same-sex unions is straight? I am getting awfully tired of being marginalized, dismissed, and ignored like that."
Are you a homosexual who disapproves of same sex marriages? AE
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Nothing worse than a gay guy in denial (most likely because of religion) ....living a lie and marrying a nice girl....and breaking her heart and life 10/20 years later when he meets the REAL love of his life.....a MAN.
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I sure hope you tell any girl you become involved with the truth....before she fall in love with you. Imo, you (a really nice guy) have been brainwashed by religion, and are setting yourself up for personal disaster. You deserve better than a lifetime of supression. BUT......there is a light at the end of the tunnel! ![]() http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article...811332,00.html Catholic Church no longer swears by truth of the Bible By Ruth Gledhill, Religion Correspondent THE hierarchy of the Roman Catholic Church has published a teaching document instructing the faithful that some parts of the Bible are not actually true. The Catholic bishops of England, Wales and Scotland are warning their five million worshippers, as well as any others drawn to the study of scripture, that they should not expect total accuracy from the Bible. We should not expect to find in Scripture full scientific accuracy or complete historical precision, they say in The Gift of Scripture. The document is timely, coming as it does amid the rise of the religious Right, in particular in the US. Some Christians want a literal interpretation of the story of creation, as told in Genesis, taught alongside Darwins theory of evolution in schools, believing intelligent design to be an equally plausible theory of how the world began. But the first 11 chapters of Genesis, in which two different and at times conflicting stories of creation are told, are among those that this countrys Catholic bishops insist cannot be historical. At most, they say, they may contain historical traces. The document shows how far the Catholic Church has come since the 17th century, when Galileo was condemned as a heretic for flouting a near-universal belief in the divine inspiration of the Bible by advocating the Copernican view of the solar system. Only a century ago, Pope Pius X condemned Modernist Catholic scholars who adapted historical-critical methods of analysing ancient literature to the Bible. In the document, the bishops acknowledge their debt to biblical scholars. They say the Bible must be approached in the knowledge that it is Gods word expressed in human language and that proper acknowledgement should be given both to the word of God and its human dimensions. They say the Church must offer the gospel in ways appropriate to changing times, intelligible and attractive to our contemporaries. The Bible is true in passages relating to human salvation, they say, but continue: We should not expect total accuracy from the Bible in other, secular matters. They go on to condemn fundamentalism for its intransigent intolerance and to warn of significant dangers involved in a fundamentalist approach. Such an approach is dangerous, for example, when people of one nation or group see in the Bible a mandate for their own superiority, and even consider themselves permitted by the Bible to use violence against others. Of the notorious anti-Jewish curse in Matthew 27:25, His blood be on us and on our children, a passage used to justify centuries of anti-Semitism, the bishops say these and other words must never be used again as a pretext to treat Jewish people with contempt. Describing this passage as an example of dramatic exaggeration, the bishops say they have had tragic consequences in encouraging hatred and persecution. The attitudes and language of first-century quarrels between Jews and Jewish Christians should never again be emulated in relations between Jews and Christians. As examples of passages not to be taken literally, the bishops cite the early chapters of Genesis, comparing them with early creation legends from other cultures, especially from the ancient East. The bishops say it is clear that the primary purpose of these chapters was to provide religious teaching and that they could not be described as historical writing. Similarly, they refute the apocalyptic prophecies of Revelation, the last book of the Christian Bible, in which the writer describes the work of the risen Jesus, the death of the Beast and the wedding feast of Christ the Lamb. The bishops say: Such symbolic language must be respected for what it is, and is not to be interpreted literally. We should not expect to discover in this book details about the end of the world, about how many will be saved and about when the end will come. BELIEVE IT OR NOT UNTRUE Genesis ii, 21-22 So the Lord God caused a deep sleep to fall upon the man, and while he slept he took one of his ribs and closed up its place with flesh; and the rib which the Lord God had taken from the man he made into a woman and brought her to the man Genesis iii, 16 God said to the woman [after she was beguiled by the serpent]: I will greatly multiply your pain in childbearing; in pain you shall bring forth children, yet your desire shall be for your husband, and he shall rule over you. Matthew xxvii, 25 The words of the crowd: His blood be on us and on our children. Revelation xix,20 And the beast was captured, and with it the false prophet who in its presence had worked the signs by which he deceived those who had received the mark of the beast and those who worshipped its image. These two were thrown alive into the lake of fire that burns with brimstone. _________________
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Gwai thanks for the response. I was outta the loop for a few years so I was unaware.
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Gwai, I assume you are considering a life of celibacy. I know the Catholic Church teaches that it isn't wrong to be gay, only to have gay sex. I wish you the best outcome for your choices. It is your choice. I do agree with Liz that it would be immoral to marry a girl and not tell her that she's your beard, so to speak. |
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