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... animals kill for a variety of reasons. When you say "among those of the same species" I have to correct you. A good example: A male lion who drives away the male in a pride will commonly kill small cubs, because a nursing female will not come into heat. The male lion may only have limited time as the head of the pride, as any time another male may challenge him. If the females do not come into heat, they will not mate with him. By killing the young nursing cubs, the females will go into heat sooner and will accept him to mate with. That's just one example. |
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In the same way, some take on a 'casual' belief in God without ever going any deeper - "yeah, I believe God exists, I believe Jesus is His Son, sure - that's what I was always taught to believe" - While another would say in their heart, "YES, I BELIEVE in God and in Jesus Christ His Son, my Savior, whose love I have personally experienced!" It's a whole different thing. And I will grant too, that some of the latter will struggle with sin, some with deep, dark sin. Some will commit crimes and (hopefully) go to prison for it. We still have sin there with us (see Romans 7), but we also have God making the provision of His Spirit at work in our lives when we seek Him (see Romans 8). Some sincere Christians don't take the opportunities to grow spiritually. Some will take the name of "Christian" though, and let themselves off the hook too easily in regard to sin ("Shall we go on sinning that grace may increase? By no means!!" - Romans 6:1 I think, but that's from my foggy memory) Some will take that first thought - and forget the "by no means" Anyway, you told us something you'd heard, and asked us what we thought, so I've told you what I think. Unless it was a trick question... Last edited by Valandil : 12-04-2003 at 05:06 PM. |
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why is this?... one would assume that the male who drove off the other is stronger, and thus more likely to survive as compared to the one chased away, as a result, his offspring are more likely to survive... so while it may be bad for the lion who got chased away, it is for the betterment of all lionkind... |
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*MUST get post count back up higher than Ruinel's* Actually, demons fit into that category, acc'd to James 2:19.
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Ruinel: Hitler is generally considered a Christian, but read this quote:
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To finish the quote, "and Luther, if he could be with us, would give us his blessing." Somehow, I doubt it. :P Considering his emphasis on sola (his) Scriptura, I doubt he'd give his blessing to any body that was "without the bible."
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And with THIS post, I'm one higher than YOU, Ru sweetie! Bwahaha!
Oh, Gwai, BTW, I finally saw your post on saints - I agree with it, except I'd say why not just ask people that you know personally that have died to pray for you, since they know you better? I have no problem praying to saints in general, as long as it's along the lines of "Dear Saint [whoever], I know you were famous for your patience, and I really need some help here. Would you please pray to our God and Father and ask for His help for me?" IOW, as long as it's NOT "Dear Saint [whoever], I know you were famous for your patience, and I really need some help here. Would YOU please help me to be more patient?" The former asks for help from the source of all good help; the latter asks for help from a fellow saint. *drat! I should have made that a separate post! Would've been TWO up over Ru!*
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One more, Ri.
EDIT: You trickster, you posted before I got this!
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I think I might disagree, though I'm not sure; it seems to me that quite likely, considering the greater life of those who have passed on, I'm not sure that those who knew us now would know us better. Also, generally the official "Saints" are those who have very much excelled or in some way had their lives affected in some unique fashion; I think any person in paradise is considered a saint, if not canonized. I sometimes ask for Tolkien's intercession, since he rocks and all. Also, as I've told you, my brother is currently not very interested in religion; he believes in it, but other than that, he has no interest in it. I ask for the intercession of St. Augustine for him, as he was a man who strayed pretty far afield in his youth, but then returned and became one of the greatest theologians of the Church. Now, I haven't known any people in my life who would be as good a "fit" in this case as St. Augustine. But generally, Catholics ask for intercession from A) the Blessed Mary, as she is the spiritual mother of all Christians, and an example of a wondrous Christian, and she was the Theotokos, the one who bore the Incarnate God in her womb, and B) those saints who were well-known for something related to their need, such as Augustine for my brother. As regards asking them to do something for you: Well, would you ask a friend who has Bios to do something for you? Why not one who is not inhibited by a mortal shell? Our beloved departed are not separated from us; Hebrews (IIRC) describes "a cloud of witnesses" about us. These people are made holy, for as Revelation tells us, "no unclean thing" can enter into Heaven. Does it not make sense that these people would want to help us? Does it not make sense that God might honour them by allowing them to help us? It may be the will of God, for instance, and I think it's not unlikely, that some saint play a direct role in something. St. Therese of Lisieux was healed of a fever by the Blessed Virgin, and at the same time, saw Her with her eyes. Many Christians in the past have been aided by those from before their times; because they are not dead, they are still able to help us. "I am the God of the living, not of the dead." You, me, you children, St. Augustine, St. Francis Xavier, Elizabeth I, John Wesley, and Jonathan Edwards are all (I believe) part of the same Church; some are in the Church pilgrim, some in the Church triumphant; but all in the Church.
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So, you consider these people "demons"? Even though they're human? O_o |
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I don't think Rian is saying people like that are demons... she's just saying that if even a demon meets those qualifications, then those are not enough to qualify someone to be a Christian. |
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Ru: As one who is a close friend of Rian's, and has a pretty good understanding of her beliefs, through by side-by-side defense of a shared view and discussion between us of differing views, I would bet every hair on my head that's not what she meant. In fact, if you note, she said "demons fit this category", not "the term is demons."
By the way, I've more posts than the lot o'ya. [d00d-voice]I'm like, the Apostle Paul, only like, the chief of SPAMMERS, dood![/d00d-voice]
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