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I wouldn't say she is weak of soul for being suicidal...see Mirahzi's post.
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06-23-2002, 09:32 PM | #242 |
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On a similar note.. it would've been more cowardly if she [Eowyn] had stayed at home to await death.. rather than riding forth to meet it. Theoden also had a similar mindset.. and he was commended for his bravery.
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06-23-2002, 11:22 PM | #243 |
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EG,whats w/ the new avatar?
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06-23-2002, 11:33 PM | #244 |
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It's pretty cute, no?
Nobody seemed to like the other one, and Earniel made this for me. Far better than Orlando Bloom, it is. But really, I'd prefer not to go off topic like this...if you have questions about changes to my avatar, my sig, or anything else, please PM me from now on, kay?
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06-24-2002, 10:22 AM | #245 |
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Answering to everyone
Hello! I really think Eowyn's weak-souled.
The first time she falls in love (which I doubt) with a handsome, noble man - and she's rady to comite ( sorry for this word) a suicide just because he loves another wonan. But what's the point I wonder. Moreover, I'd say, Faramir's much more attractive Fellow, isn't he???
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And as for Faramir being better looking, well...I won't get into that, eh?
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06-24-2002, 03:21 PM | #247 |
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Well, if you think Eowyn's weak-souled simply because she went off to die, I'd have to disagree. I think it would have been weak of her to HARBOR this wish and do nothing about it, besides let it stew and then still be stuck with it, and whatever petty task Eomer came back with for her to perform after the war. That wuld have shown that she didn't have the gall to take her life into her own hands; instead letting other people run her life for her. I admire anyone who takes their fate into their own hands, man or woman. And that is why I admire Eowyn.
I fully agree with Eruviel Greenleaf's post. Eowyn saw Aragorn more as a way out of her current situation (and he confirms this in the Houses of Healing) than as a love interest. I think of their *cough* 'relationship', as admiration (by Eowyn for Aragorn) rather than love, a chance to do greater things and be remembered for it on Eowyn's part. And her wish for death wasn't really that he loved another (after all, he only infers to her of Arwen), but that he was going to perform (what she thought was) a fatal task and waste his life. I think this drove her over the edge, rather than Arwen. But with her hastiness in marriage to Faramir, there I'm leaning towards weak-souled. It seems like they were both despairing and thinking something along the lines of 'Well, we're just going to die anyway pretty soon, so why not?' I do not beleive that meaningful love can be acheived in a week (give or take). And as for her death wish being weak-souled...I think it was more along the lines of desperation rather than suicide (although I won't deny that she obviously wanted to die). She took her fate into her own hands instead of waiting for a Higher Power to throw her a bone. That should be commended and recognized in both men and women. And so, I shall also honor: MERRY! For not just sticking around a stupid stronghold, simply because he was told to do so. He also plucked up his courage and determination, and found a way to acheive what he wanted. But I digress...
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06-24-2002, 05:38 PM | #249 |
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Yea. but there's 1 problem
Well, you're right, but there are a lot of ways to solve such problems. I may be wrong, but if I were Eowyn I'd at first murder Grima. OK/ I really think it would help a lot. After that I'd take a steed and move to Minas Tirith. But before that I'd had made a track to some river so that others'd think I'd comeeted a suicide at last.
Sorry for the rudeness, but Eowyn needs 1 thing to be a perfect woman…………..- Brains! As for Faramir – it's very simple – he's only 38 & Aragorn is 81…. Would you like a mummy to merry you? I'm sure not. & besides . Faramir is more fine person to deal with..
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1) At the time when Grima was at the height of his malice, he was also under Theoden's protection. If Eowyn had killed him, Theoden most likely would have locked her up or worse. Yes, I'm sure it really would have helped everyone a lot to have Grima dead, but let's not forget what Theoden, under Grima's influence, did to Eomer when Eomer threatened Grima with death in the halls of Edoras: Theoden had Eomer locked up. And let's face it: that's just not how the story goes, and its not in Eowyn's character to be a senseless killer (And let's not start with the Witch-king, b/c then we'll all have to get into a long boring discussion of whether or not the Nazgul were really alive...). She's not a heartless witch. She's just stern and resolute. 2) Eowyn wasn't after death alone. She wanted REKNOWN more than anything else. She wanted to be known and remembered POSITIVLEY for her actions, which is why she rode to battle, rather than right-out killing herself (Also, maybe she really didn't have the courage to take her own life...but we'll never know for sure). Quote:
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who thinks faramir is more pretty than aragorn?
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It's the cross dressing that really turns me on to Eowyn...DOhhh! I shouldn't have said that,..
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Perhaps you should have said something like, "I admire her bravery in dressing as a man so as to march into battle," eh?
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YEAH>>> What can I say I'm out of my mind,..I do dream about her more than Arwen tho'...
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o'coz I can't change what Tolkien's written & I don't want to, but see, Eowyn to Eomer made great difference for Teoden. He could be strict with'im but not with'er. And who asks to murder Grima just in front o'Teoden's eyes??? Who'd know ? For example, ask one of the riders to do it.
as fer perfect people, Stalker in the Starlight, you're completely right. but not in LOTR. Aragorn, for example,'s perfect. made no mistakes throughout all the book. Arwen, Elrond etc/ Aren't they perfect??????? Quote:
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As for Eowyn/Faramir, maybe their relationship was just a happy ending for Eowyn and Faramir. I'm not sure, but did Tolkien write that on the spur of the moment or something like that? It just seems a bit lazy to me. (Just a thought thats all, don't get angry )
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Its a good thought.
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My friend told me that when Tolkien originally wrote the books, Aragorn was supposed to end up with Eowyn, which is why Arwen has such a small part-she was added in at the last minute.
Though, this same friend also tells me that her 14 cats speak to her and tell her what to do, so I seriously doubt any and all things she ever says to me-including that.
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And what about the lenght of life? Does this really metter? And also, I think it's the real nobleness to stay in shadow. And remember what he'd done for Frodo and Sam! Wpnderful will! Though, I really think you all disagree with me. Before argoind, try to understand one.
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