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King of the Istari, I believe I can see your point. Harry sees the ring when he and Dumbledore meet Slughorn for the first time. He also sees it at another point in Dumbledore's office (I can't put my finger on it at the moment). Later, this is what Dumbledore says:
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R.A.B = Regulus Black.
The locket was the horcrux - but R.A.B (most likely Regulus Black) had already taken it and replaced it with the fake with the note. In book 5 didn't Harry find a locket at 12 Grimmauld Place? Could be it.
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There must be ways of destroying a horcrux without destroying the vessel it is carried in, for example the diary, it was pierced by the basalisk fang (I don't think the fang went all the way through) but was still there it just had a Blackened Burned hole in the cover (remind you of anything?) and ws covered in ink, So this makes me belive that when a horcrux is removed from its vessel it burns what ever it touches, like the diary, and if dumbledore was wearing the ring when the horcrux was destroyed his hand! So Maybe a horcrux can be removed safely but is only dangerous when it comes into contact with something, Imagine touching something that was pure evil it would do something wouldn't it?
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Let's puts to rest the whole "snape was working with Dumbledore" "Dumbledore told Snape to kill him" "Dumbledore isn't really dead" "Snape is really good not evil"
1. Ok he made an UNBREAKABLE VOW to help Draco carry out his mission to KILL DUMBLEDORE - not pretend to. 2. No one knew where Dumbloedore went or why except for Harry! Sure, Dumbledore "trusted" Snape at the time - but he certainly trusted all of his other teachers and did not tell them, hence McGonnagall asking Harry. 3. Snape had to be woken up by Flitwick - he had no idea otherwise that a Death Eater attack was going on or that Dubmledore and Harry had left and were returning. Neither Malfoy nor Dumbledore told him. 4. No evidence that Dumbledore asked Snape to kill him. All he said was "Severus..." But he is obviously now dead, and was previously talking Malfoy out of killing him. He was shocked at the betrayal.
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You need to note that J.K. Rowling has definitely still left some important things concerning Dumbledore's murder under wraps. She hasn't explained why Dumbledore gave Snape the Dark Arts job. She hasn't explained what that argument between Dumbledore and Snape was about. Most important of all, she hasn't explained why Dumbledore trusted Snape in the first place. If book 6 was the one where she was planning to reveal the evil of Severus Snape, J.K. Rowling would have tied up the loose ends explaining his treachery, rather than leaving them all dangling into book 7. I am quite sure that Snape is good .
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Elfmaster, I think you're right about Harry being one of the horcruxes. I speculated as much over at SF-Fandom. It's an interesting postulation - would JKR be that mean?
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Remember though the fang of a basilisk is magical, as the creature is greatly so. And the poison is probably what helped destroy the horcrux.
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Harry's too young to die.
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For me, the books are no longer about the books themselves, but about the story as a whole, and I think that's why this one seems different. This book is almost like a chapter in the bigger story, to conclude with the next and final "chapter." It's kind of like LotR in that way now, IMO. (another post coming) |
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...I agree, 95%
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Here are some more of my thoughts about Snape/ Dumbledore:
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i still would like to believe they switched places, in rereading it i found that it said:
(not exact) he leapt into the water with the STRENGTH AND AGILITY OF A MAN YOUNGER THAN HIM. though i know it says it a lot, thats mostly just with quickness, not actual physical activity. also, i just had a thought that i know isnt true, i say again before you all jump at my throat, I KNOW THIS ISNT TRUE! what if dumbledore is weaker than voldemort and the only reason it says that hes the only wizard V ever feared was because DD scared him into submission as a child, and V didnt kill im so he could make everyone think he was weaker than he really was, a useful technique, for he could than bring out his true power when the time was right. again, i know this isnt true.
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Well, I'm not quite sure I agree there.Though there may still be a chance the scheme wouldn't work, Snape didn't seem to care much. The first thing he did after having left Flitwick, Hermione and Luna was to blow his cover, running away with the DE's. And either way, stunning Flitwick would put him in a bad spot if it failed, and with Dumbeldore gone there wouldn't be many left to protect him (if they failed to kill Dumbeldore, then his chances would increase, but he'd have attracted too much attention.
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Good points. Apparently I didn't think that through sufficiently.
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Well, Falagar, the real issue is, as usual, who is blowing whom. To assure the cover with Voldemort, Snape was constrained to act as he did. This leads to his apparent defection from the Order until you get to the scene with Harry where he INSTRUCTS him in needed improvenments in Harry's skill. Harry will eventually understand the implication of this. Snape is a good guy under all that machination! The life of a double agent is a misery. The greatest clue is Snape's response to Harry's allegation of cowardice. Snape is certainly no coward whatever else he may be. To kill Dumbledore at D's request is not the act of a coward. Nor was the embrasure of the Unbreakable Vow in pursuit of his status among the DE's. Snape is literally walking the wire over the chasm. Not a coward!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I disagree...Remember in OotP, Moody showed Harry the picture of the original order...Dubledore's brother was in that picture...and if I'm not wrong...he does resemble his brother somewhat.
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like I said earlier it shows more writing skill if JK can pull of a satisfactroy ending whith Harry living, than taking the easy way out and killing him off
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