03-22-2003, 01:43 AM | #241 |
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A measure of wisdom I did not possess.
Yes, I've noticed that too. The only thing that people complain about is what America does, and they always talk about what America does wrong. I have come to the conclusion that America and her people are the only beings in the world capable of imperfection.
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Firekitten2006 - 9/11 is a fact. I've seen Ground Zero several times. I had seen the Twin Towers a ton of times. It is a fact that the terrorist came from the Middle East and promotes terrorist activities. It is a fact that Hussein supports the Palestinian suicide bombers. Do you suggest we just wait until Hussein decides to start selling his weapons to terrorist organisations? I don't. We have to take proactive action against these type of regimes. We went into Bosnia for actually much less.
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About the French - According to my American History teacher (who obviously has been extremely vocal about this lately, and is sure to be even more so when we return from spring break on Monday), there are trade relations between Iraq and France, which is probably one of the major reasons their government (I don't know about the people, I haven't been up on the French polls, nor have I been there lately ) isn't supporting the war. It's Western dressing, not French dressing! Personally, I think that's ridiculous. Pretty much jingoism as well. It happened with more than just hot dogs during WWII as well. The breed of dogs called German Sheperds were called something different, though I can't remember what. Going back farther in the thread - to be nit-picky, picking on the French wouldn't be racist, per se, since "French" isn't a race, it's a nationality. BUT, I do see were you are coming from, and it is something that we have to be extremely aware of, or prejudice will arise. We don't need another incident of the Nisei camps.
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By the way - in one town which was being liberated - iraqi's came up to our soldiers and gave them kisses on the cheeks. They cheered and hugged and laughed.
One woman came up to one of the soldiers crying saying that they were too late - Hussein had killed her son the month before. One US Marine started to rip down one of the huge posters of Saddam Hussein and an Iraqi went up there and helped him (at the same time as beating the face of Hussein with his shoe ). When a marine took down the Iraqi flag and replaced it with an American flag - Washington immediately told them to take it down and put the Iraqi flag back up. We are NOT occupying - we are liberating. I was not happy our flag went up like that and I'm glad they made them take it down. The Iraqi citizens live under a brutal dictator who tortures and kills his own people. One Iraqi exile the other day on the news told how the people who were captured during the up rising in 1991 - were executed by acid baths. Can you imagine being dumped into a vat of acid and eaten away like that? Without US intervention - this will continue to go on.
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03-22-2003, 02:14 AM | #248 |
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Also, I would like to comment on the IMPEACH BUSH comment made by Evenstar_14 (I think).
I live in a Democratic party state (Iowa). I hear complaints about Bush nearly every single day, at school and at work (though not at home. My stepdad is a steadfast Republican and my dad is a Libertarian). I usually hold my tongue, because I refuse to get involved in politics among my peers, since most of them are extremelely biased and refuse to even pretend to listen to another's opinion, when it comes to politics. They also think they know everything. Think of our other option. Al Gore. I wonder how he would have handled 9/11, let alone the Hussein issue.
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03-22-2003, 02:19 AM | #249 | |
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In terms of 9/11 - I didn't say how Gore would have done it - because I don't know how he would have handled it. I do not think he would have taken an issue with Hussein though.
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Here is a sample of Hussein's brutality...
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For more of the brutality go to - Women for a Free Iraq
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It's not happening to the people of their country, so I guess they don't care.
Acid baths and human meat grinders? Eru above, what a monster!
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And mind you, this comes from a person who support war against Iraq (though I resent the way it was treated in the UN).
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I am sure you know that Artanis, but it is hard to believe that people in the world don't get it. History tells us all...
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Yes, you're right, that was unfair.
But what kind of peaceful resolutions? How do people expect to deal with these monsters?
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Since everyone responded to the other point - I'll respond to this...
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I know you stated you were playing devil's advocate and you do support the war - but I wanted to point out - just because there are other "evil dictators and regimes" does not mean we should not take action on the ones we can.
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