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Perhaps we should simmer down for a bit?
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Unlike my colleagues BoP and IR, I do see why abiogenesis (the study of the origins of life) is connected with evolution - or rather, with this thread, because the link is that both are opposed to creationism, which posits that neither one's theories are true.
On the flying babies post, I think I made my point about how the example given is not scientific, even drawing from the limited world in which no creatures exist but babies - because babies can swim, so the flying would be an unnecessary conclusion. And I've also stated that I feel that, in such a hypothetical world with no actors besides the baby, it WOULD be correct to assume the baby crawled and swam (perhaps over the straits of Dover, then over the polar ice cap?) to New York from London. EDIT: Rian, I'm the leading poster in this thread . However, that's because we're in thread 2 of 2 . You have by far the most in thread 1 (291 to bj's 157), and also the most in Evidence for Evolution (95 to my 55).
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Several more points to ponder about whether or not the two are linked:
1. If the chemical evolutionists finally did an experiment where they went from some chemical combination to a living cell, do you guys think Talk Origins would headline it? Why or why not? 2. Why is the Miller-Urey experiment featured in school textbooks in the evolution section? Please think about these things Another thing to do - google on Miller-Urey and read for yourself. I'm not saying they are the same field. All I'm saying is that they're connected. Another point - go to the National Center for Science Education website, ncseweb.org, whose mission statement includes "... defends the teaching of evolution in public schools", and read articles, where you'll find, among other things, in discussions on chemical evolution, statements like this: "The first stage in the origin of life was chemical evolution." That's only one of many examples.
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Thanks, Count - I couldn't figure it out. I was trying out all the clicks on the thread, not on the forum.
(and rohirrim, I think the force stuff is fun, but not on the more serious threads...)
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Another place that links chemical and biological evolution to some degree - NASA's Astrobiology website.
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Yeah, and pigs will evolve to become aerodynamic.
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Origin of species is not origin of life. There is a difference (although I am on record as believing there is also a connection). Origin of species about how different species evolve from already alive other species, not how that life came about.
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A person who studies the theory of evolution studies the mechanics of evolution. Do you not understand that? The origin of life is another study field altogether, and is not studied by the 'evolutionist'. And before you start back with your ignorant arguments, I would remind you that I do have a degree in anthropology, so I do sometimes know what I'm talking about.
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How about the term "naturalist"?
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what i mean is that it gets thrown around with very little meaning, and i think it has been overused. in any event if i used the word scientist to mean evolutionist it would be terribly inaccurate at the very least, for there are just as many scientist out there who are supportive of ID and creation, and have just as much evidence to support their theorys as ToE claims to. Anyway i know BJ was joking because he had a * * in there.
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