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I'll have a hard time explaining the procedure but I'll do my best. You see proteins tend to stabilize one another. If you have a number of folded proteins and unfolded proteins of the same kind, the folded ones can make the other proteins fold in the same way - especially if the folded state is more stable than the unfolded state. This is called cooperative transition. See, if a protein in an organism undergoes a change (e.g. gets a new amino acid) and becomes more stable, by cooperative transition it will make it easier for the other proteins to undergo the same change. And since the new structure is more stable and requires less energy, it is more likely that the proteins will retain their new "look" instead of reverting back to their old form. Was that somewhat clear? . So - there is no "goal" that biomolecules try to reach. It's all about energy and stability, like everything else in nature. The theory goes: Organisms that get new stable proteins that are more useful than their old counterparts, will survive more easily than their cousins without these new molecules - survival of the fittest. About your typing monkey joke - yes, I've seen that joke before, it's funny Quote:
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As far as Archaeopteryx - it has fully formed flying feathers. Period. How can that be a transitional form? There's some odd ducks in the animal kingdom, such as the platypus, but saying a fossil with fully formed feathers is some kind of bridge between dinosaurs and birds, merely because it has some features like teeth, just doesn't make sense to me. A number of extinct birds had teeth, and many reptiles don't have teeth. If you like, I can give more info later on - gtg pick up the kids now! I wasn't able to find much info on the other one so I won't comment.
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I notice that the title has been changed...
EDIT: OK, saw Rian's post I haven't mentioned transitional forms, I just cited 2 animals which had common factors with both aviformes and the dinosauria, and (please dont take this as arrogance on my part) what has the presence of "fully formed flying feathers" got to do with what the animal is? although it hasn't been proven that archaeopteryx did fly, and most palaeontologists theorise that it sprinted along the ground, in much the same way as a ceolophysid, or compsognathid. |
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Of course, similarities in bone structure doesn't mean evolution is true but still it fits very well with the theory. To a creationist, maybe similar skeletons doesn't mean anything, but - if evolution exists, theropods' skeletal resemblances to birds (and our own resemblances to apes) would be a result of it. So the resemblances are evidences for evolution. As far as I recall, it has never been proved that avimimus had feathers. But it was more than a decade since I read about it (I devoured dinosaur books as a kid!) so there may have been some new finds lately.
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I have no problem discussing what Jonathan brought up. I enjoy good, thoughtful, intelligent, considerate discussions very much!
I see someone changed the title of the thread already! Wow!
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I don't totally get the renaming of this thread. Personally I think it's a tad misleading. Points that outline a failing in the theory of Evolution don't necessarily prove that Creationism is right. Creationism has to prove its validity in itself as well.
For all we know there could be some other theory that no one has discovered yet that is closer to the truth than both our theories. Thus, disproving ToE would merely mean that it isn't true (I'll leave it to you guys to decide whether or not you can do this), it would not automatically mean that Creationism is true. Obviously, the reverse also applies. If you need me, I'll be lurking in the corner.
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Now back to the topic - could you please find your post I asked about, if you don't mind?
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Now I want to ask again - can you do a SINGLE post that shows why you support creationism without bringing evolution or god into it. That is the one thing i keep asking for that you will not do.
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