Writing using Tengwar characters - Page 13

Sminty_Smeagol · 11-02-2002, 03:59 PM

Hey all! It's been a while since i posted. I'm doing pretty well with my tengwar I think. I have most/all? of the punctuation/modifiers memorized (well atleast as much as I need) and I can write pretty fluently in it. I translated a wonderful section from Turin's tale in the silmarillion in to the elvish alphabet with calligraphy and it's lamenated on the back of my Bible folder.

katya · 11-02-2002, 05:40 PM

Hey Sminty we missed you. Glad to see that your Tengwar is going well. By the way, what exactly is a Bible folder?

Sminty_Smeagol · 11-02-2002, 05:44 PM

ahhh... I have a bible class at my school. The plastic binder/folder I use for that class.

***Rían*** · 11-02-2002, 05:54 PM

What section did you translate? So much of it is v. sad...

katya · 11-02-2002, 06:11 PM

oh yeah that makes sense sminty i just didn't know if it was something i was supposed to know what it meant, if you know what I mean. yeah...um...my calligraphy pen is dead. i found that my writing looks nicer if most of it is not very flowy, since i am bad at flowy. if you look at the g tengwa in the fellowship of the ring in shadow of the past, it is like that. that is my usual writing. then with nice s-curls sometimes or whatever. still no scanner.

Sminty_Smeagol · 11-02-2002, 10:51 PM

I translated the part where turin talks to his sword thingy and kills himself. Turin's story has always been my favorite... and now I am reading it in Unfinished Tales

TinuvielChild · 11-02-2002, 11:21 PM

Ooh, that's one of my favorite bits. Where the sword says something like "Yea, I will drink thy blood gladly, to help me forget the blood of Beleg my master and (what's his name, I can never remember), killed unjustly. Yes, I will slay thee swiftly"? I love that! It gives me chills.

Ms. Undomial · 11-03-2002, 09:29 PM

Rian- How do I get a file on to the entmoot, so you guys can see it??

Sminty_Smeagol · 11-03-2002, 10:31 PM

The part that starts with "Hail Gurthang.....<insertstuffhere> Wilt thou slay me swiftly?"

***Rían*** · 11-04-2002, 01:59 AM

Ms. U - here's info on how to scan in a page and shrink it down to 10K or less with Windows (if you have the programs that I call out). It can't be lots of writing all over the page - start with just half a page or less to get the hang of it. Good luck, let me know how it goes. It works for TC and me, but I think it didn't work for someone else. The main thing (and the HARD thing) is to get it down to 10k or less.

put paper with small amount of writing in printer/scanner, go to programs->accessories->imaging, set the scan mode to B&W, resolution to Laser 300 dpi, scale to 50%, then press Scan New. Then File->save as, and save as .bmp. This file is usually about 250K. Close imaging program, open paint program (also under accessories), open .bmp file. Under Image->stretch/skew, set the stretch to 50% in both horiz. and vertical and hit OK, then go to file->save as and save it as a .gif. This usually makes it 9 to 10k, which is fine.

Then at the bottom of the page where you type in your new post, where it says "attach file" at the left, hit the browse button to find your file.

TinuvielChild · 11-04-2002, 02:45 PM

Okay, this is frightening...today during a History quiz, I just randomly started writing the answers in Tengwar. I didn't even realize I had switched from English to Tengwar until halfway down the page, and then I had to go and translate it back and rewrite it in English! I felt so stupid...

But it was funny.

***Rían*** · 11-04-2002, 05:22 PM

OMGoodness- that IS funny! Did your teacher comment, or did you not have to turn in the page that you wrote Tengwar on?

Ms. Undomial · 11-04-2002, 05:33 PM

it doesn't work! it says that the file is too big.

***Rían*** · 11-04-2002, 05:51 PM

How big was the file? Were you close to 10K?

You might want to start with just one or two words and go thru my step-by-step instructions. Check file sizes as you go. Hang in there - it took TC and me awhile to get it down, but it's fun once you do! Did you have all the programs that I mentioned?

Ms. Undomial · 11-04-2002, 06:03 PM

My file is 25,629 bytes. how do I make it smaller??

***Rían*** · 11-04-2002, 06:20 PM

I have to run pick up the kids from school now, so just let me ask what type of file it is? bmp, gif, what? And did you go thru all of the instructions I wrote down? It's really a pain until you get used to it, then it goes quickly. If you would like me to continue to troubleshoot for you (and I would be glad to!), would you please write just 1 sentence in Tengwar, go thru the detailed instructions, write down the sizes and types of the different files at each stage, and post the info here. Hang in there, and I'll check back later today

Ms. Undomial · 11-04-2002, 06:31 PM

Yay! I think this will work!! it is 7,000 bytes!! let me know if you can see it!

***Earniel*** · 11-04-2002, 06:37 PM

wow that's big!

*realisation dawns*

Hey, I could read that! WOOHOOO!!!

Ms. Undomial · 11-04-2002, 06:40 PM

the next one I want to do won't work. it says it is 15,000 bytes. can anyone help me make it smaller?

***Earniel*** · 11-04-2002, 06:41 PM

On what resolution do you scan? Lower resolution often helps to reduce the size (at least on my scanner)

11-02-2002, 03:59 PM	#241
Sminty_Smeagol Manic Cardboard-Box Dweller Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: In a house Posts: 1,071	Oooo Hey all! It's been a while since i posted. I'm doing pretty well with my tengwar I think. I have most/all? of the punctuation/modifiers memorized (well atleast as much as I need) and I can write pretty fluently in it. I translated a wonderful section from Turin's tale in the silmarillion in to the elvish alphabet with calligraphy and it's lamenated on the back of my Bible folder.

11-02-2002, 05:54 PM	#244
*Rían* Half-Elven Princess of Rabbit Trails and Harp-Wielding Administrator (beware the Rubber Chicken of Doom!) Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Not where I want to be ... Posts: 15,254	What section did you translate? So much of it is v. sad... __________________ . I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç å ™ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva!

11-02-2002, 10:51 PM	#246
Sminty_Smeagol Manic Cardboard-Box Dweller Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: In a house Posts: 1,071	yeah I translated the part where turin talks to his sword thingy and kills himself. Turin's story has always been my favorite... and now I am reading it in Unfinished Tales

11-02-2002, 11:21 PM	#247
TinuvielChild Padawan Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: The Barony of Carolingia Posts: 2,176	Ooh, that's one of my favorite bits. Where the sword says something like "Yea, I will drink thy blood gladly, to help me forget the blood of Beleg my master and (what's his name, I can never remember), killed unjustly. Yes, I will slay thee swiftly"? I love that! It gives me chills. __________________ There are only four questions of value in life: What is sacred? Of what is the spirit made? What is worth living for? What is worth dying for? The answer to each is the same: ONLY LOVE. Dance as though nobody's watching. Sing as though nobody's listening. Dream as though you'll live forever. Live as though you'll die tomorrow. EIDRIORCQWSDAKLMEDDCWWTIWOATTOPWFIO and proud! FRODO LIVES!!!!!

11-03-2002, 09:29 PM	#248
Ms. Undomial Custous Sanctus Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: In your subconsicious.... Posts: 1,184	Rian- How do I get a file on to the entmoot, so you guys can see it?? __________________ I must not fear. Fear is the mind killer. Fear is the little death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain. - Dune Last edited by Ms. Undomial : 11-03-2002 at 09:30 PM.

11-02-2002, 05:40 PM	#242
katya Elven Maiden Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 3,309	Hey Sminty we missed you. Glad to see that your Tengwar is going well. By the way, what exactly is a Bible folder?

11-02-2002, 05:44 PM	#243
Sminty_Smeagol Manic Cardboard-Box Dweller Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: In a house Posts: 1,071	ahhh... I have a bible class at my school. The plastic binder/folder I use for that class.

11-02-2002, 06:11 PM	#245
katya Elven Maiden Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 3,309	oh yeah that makes sense sminty i just didn't know if it was something i was supposed to know what it meant, if you know what I mean. yeah...um...my calligraphy pen is dead. i found that my writing looks nicer if most of it is not very flowy, since i am bad at flowy. if you look at the g tengwa in the fellowship of the ring in shadow of the past, it is like that. that is my usual writing. then with nice s-curls sometimes or whatever. still no scanner.

11-03-2002, 10:31 PM	#249
Sminty_Smeagol Manic Cardboard-Box Dweller Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: In a house Posts: 1,071	The part that starts with "Hail Gurthang.....<insertstuffhere> Wilt thou slay me swiftly?"

11-04-2002, 01:59 AM	#250
*Rían* Half-Elven Princess of Rabbit Trails and Harp-Wielding Administrator (beware the Rubber Chicken of Doom!) Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Not where I want to be ... Posts: 15,254	Ms. U - here's info on how to scan in a page and shrink it down to 10K or less with Windows (if you have the programs that I call out). It can't be lots of writing all over the page - start with just half a page or less to get the hang of it. Good luck, let me know how it goes. It works for TC and me, but I think it didn't work for someone else. The main thing (and the HARD thing) is to get it down to 10k or less. put paper with small amount of writing in printer/scanner, go to programs->accessories->imaging, set the scan mode to B&W, resolution to Laser 300 dpi, scale to 50%, then press Scan New. Then File->save as, and save as .bmp. This file is usually about 250K. Close imaging program, open paint program (also under accessories), open .bmp file. Under Image->stretch/skew, set the stretch to 50% in both horiz. and vertical and hit OK, then go to file->save as and save it as a .gif. This usually makes it 9 to 10k, which is fine. Then at the bottom of the page where you type in your new post, where it says "attach file" at the left, hit the browse button to find your file. __________________ . I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç å ™ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva!

11-04-2002, 02:45 PM	#251
TinuvielChild Padawan Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: The Barony of Carolingia Posts: 2,176	Okay, this is frightening...today during a History quiz, I just randomly started writing the answers in Tengwar. I didn't even realize I had switched from English to Tengwar until halfway down the page, and then I had to go and translate it back and rewrite it in English! I felt so stupid... But it was funny. __________________ There are only four questions of value in life: What is sacred? Of what is the spirit made? What is worth living for? What is worth dying for? The answer to each is the same: ONLY LOVE. Dance as though nobody's watching. Sing as though nobody's listening. Dream as though you'll live forever. Live as though you'll die tomorrow. EIDRIORCQWSDAKLMEDDCWWTIWOATTOPWFIO and proud! FRODO LIVES!!!!!

11-04-2002, 05:22 PM	#252
*Rían* Half-Elven Princess of Rabbit Trails and Harp-Wielding Administrator (beware the Rubber Chicken of Doom!) Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Not where I want to be ... Posts: 15,254	OMGoodness- that IS funny! Did your teacher comment, or did you not have to turn in the page that you wrote Tengwar on? __________________ . I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç å ™ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva!

11-04-2002, 05:33 PM	#253
Ms. Undomial Custous Sanctus Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: In your subconsicious.... Posts: 1,184	it doesn't work! it says that the file is too big. __________________ I must not fear. Fear is the mind killer. Fear is the little death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain. - Dune

11-04-2002, 05:51 PM	#254
*Rían* Half-Elven Princess of Rabbit Trails and Harp-Wielding Administrator (beware the Rubber Chicken of Doom!) Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Not where I want to be ... Posts: 15,254	How big was the file? Were you close to 10K? You might want to start with just one or two words and go thru my step-by-step instructions. Check file sizes as you go. Hang in there - it took TC and me awhile to get it down, but it's fun once you do! Did you have all the programs that I mentioned? __________________ . I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç å ™ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva!

11-04-2002, 06:03 PM	#255
Ms. Undomial Custous Sanctus Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: In your subconsicious.... Posts: 1,184	My file is 25,629 bytes. how do I make it smaller?? __________________ I must not fear. Fear is the mind killer. Fear is the little death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain. - Dune

11-04-2002, 06:20 PM	#256
*Rían* Half-Elven Princess of Rabbit Trails and Harp-Wielding Administrator (beware the Rubber Chicken of Doom!) Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Not where I want to be ... Posts: 15,254	I have to run pick up the kids from school now, so just let me ask what type of file it is? bmp, gif, what? And did you go thru all of the instructions I wrote down? It's really a pain until you get used to it, then it goes quickly. If you would like me to continue to troubleshoot for you (and I would be glad to!), would you please write just 1 sentence in Tengwar, go thru the detailed instructions, write down the sizes and types of the different files at each stage, and post the info here. Hang in there, and I'll check back later today __________________ . I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç å ™ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva!

11-04-2002, 06:37 PM	#258
*Earniel* The Chocoholic Sea Elf Administrator Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: N?n in Eilph (Belgium) Posts: 14,363	wow that's big! realisation dawns Hey, I could read that! WOOHOOO!!! __________________ We are not things.

11-04-2002, 06:40 PM	#259
Ms. Undomial Custous Sanctus Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: In your subconsicious.... Posts: 1,184	the next one I want to do won't work. it says it is 15,000 bytes. can anyone help me make it smaller? __________________ I must not fear. Fear is the mind killer. Fear is the little death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain. - Dune

11-04-2002, 06:41 PM	#260
*Earniel* The Chocoholic Sea Elf Administrator Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: N?n in Eilph (Belgium) Posts: 14,363	On what resolution do you scan? Lower resolution often helps to reduce the size (at least on my scanner) __________________ We are not things.

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