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Oh - and I guess there has been another tape from bin Ladin calling on renewed attacks against Americans and the West.
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*sighs sadly*
You should not base your opinion of a country on something like that. Do you know how few of them actually celebrated? And Arafat condemned the action, if you remember correctly, and sent his condolences to our government. So many people base their opinions of people on the actions of the minority...it's like basing your opinion of Christianity on the actions of the Ku Klux Klan.
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I think I'll stop responding to this thread too - not because I've got nothing to say, but because I don't want to continue this. It's not going to end good, and I fear that I'll lose some friends because of a little argument.
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Simplistic and narrow minded?
I do not think I should comment further, as I may lose my temper. I think I am going to follow Falagar's example, and duck out of this thread before it gets out of hand.
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ADMIN NOTE- I realize that this is a loaded thread. So far, aside from straying off topic here and there, the posters have conducted themselves admirably. I am noticing a bit of personal remarks made toward individual posters. Not attacks, but just disagreements. Let's try not to get to personal. I understand that this is a thread capable also of branching out in a million directions. Try to stay as much on topic as possible. I realize that tempers are on edge. Control yourselves and post with a cool head. I am sorry to see some of you leave the thread. Your input has and still can be beneficial to the discussion. .
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Thanks for responding to my post, Radagast (and JD). So I guess I had it wrong -- are there NO Palestinians still living in Isreal? In the territory in dispute -- do the Isrealis still consider it theirs, but there are Palestinians living there? I guess that's what I meant when I said they could put a few of them in the parliament (or whatever the body is that decides the rules or action to be taken), is that way they would have representation in the government (but that's only if there are any living in Isreal, and the disputed territory that Isreal considers to still belong to Isreal, unless they intend to give it up and let it be a sovreign state?).
But then I agree that there isn't a big popular push for peace on the side of the Palestinians, because if there were, as has been stated, the suicide bombings would stop or at least be greatly reduced. Because this is not the case, that is the reason we assume that they don't WANT peace. I feel that if people disagree with a situation to the point that they find it intolerable, they will speak out or do something drastic in order to effect change. Otherwise, it must not be so bad, or they must agree with the methods being used (in this case, suicide bombers). |
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Oh, and you think international pressure will stop terrorism? How exactly? Maybe the leader would try to catch the terrorists, buyt they may be stronger then him. [quote][b]You should not base your opinion of a country on something like that. Do you know how few of them actually celebrated? And Arafat condemned the action, if you remember correctly, and sent his condolences to our government. Quote:
There are arabs in the parliament, but none in the goverment. The prime minister suppose to assemble the parties he wants to be with in the goverment. Sharon's party have 40 places in the parliament. The Avoda - the biggest oppssition party - have 19. The arabs are in the opposition. The goverment is the coalition. |
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It's like the stuff going on in Iraq - Nightline had a thing about all the good stuff going on there - because they said everyday there is a bombing or something - and none of the good things can get reported. The bombings - although relatively isolated - take over the news cast. So instead - they took some time out to talk about the new schools, the water, electricity, the new businesses in Baghdad that have opened up, etc.
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This makes me wonder how the media portrays the United States in the rest of the world. Could their opinion of us be as biased and inaccurate as ours is of them, simply because the press has a bad habit of only printing that which is "Newsworthy?"
I can only imagine the things about the United States that make world news...not signing the Kyoto accords...the fiasco with the 2000 election...hate crimes...the things that make news are simply not the things you really want your country known for...
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I agree completely, and I think losing the shades of grey in our perspectives is perhaps the most dangerous thing that can happen to the world.
In this thread, I see words like "good" and "evil" bandied around with alarming frequency. People assert that "Israel is good; Palestine is evil," or "America is the Great Satan and Radical Islam is the only thing that can save the world." All of these statements are false. I do not believe in good and evil, because both good elements and bad elements exist in all things. It seems that the world is desperate to sort things into little cardboard two-dimensional boxes, because it is easier for them to do. But it overlooks and oversimplifies far too much! Sure, if they're evil, kill them, it's the right thing to do. That's caused problems both for Americans and for the Radical Islamic terrorists. We assume they're evil, they assume we're evil, and therefore "God" is on their side if they kill us, after all, we're just saving the world from the dark side, right? The truth is that it is far more complicated than that. Everyone is a product of their environment, and the attitudes you grow up hearing around you can be very hard to live down. Whether it is true or not, many of these people have grown up believing that America and Israel are the cause of all their suffering and miseries, and when someone tells you something enough times, you're likely to start believing it. That doesn't make these people evil, only desperate and misinformed.
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Another example was during Hurricane Isabelle - they had reported that it was being called the Hurricane of the century (this was as it was hitting land). I lived through the hurricane to a point and my cousin who had lived through it in Alexandria Virginia - we know it was never called that here. Actually it was the exact opposite - we were very glad it had reduced it's strenght so much and wasn't the category 4 or 5 that it had been the day before. As soon as it hit landfall it had become a tropical storm.
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