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You mean give aid - - even as Hussein lives in his palaces? The US has been arguing for smart sanctions which would allow more aid to the Iraqi people. But several countries, such as Russia, block this because it would put close the loop holes that allow them to get other things into Iraq.
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Also - as I've always said - the world is grey not black and white. You have to weigh the probability of things - because nothing is 100%. Unless they pull out a nuclear weapon fully built - it's not 100% that he has nuclear weapons. Even if the inspectors did find a fully working nuclear weapon - people would still accuse the US of planting it.
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It is about self-defence and reaction, NOT offensive and preemptive strikes. And if we're worrying about threats, then what about Bush revoking the anti-ballistics treaty? Quote:
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Also - if as you say - the people have been brainwashed to think the west is evil - why would they even accept our food and medicine? Were food drops ever suggested? The US did institute that in Afganistan during the bombing of the Taliban and Al Qaeda.
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Once again you ignore my question by trying to divert the subject
I'll repeat myself for posterity sake Do you still argue that oil is not a common factor in the struggle for Iraq? Got that? Good!! As for airdrops...........if the UN can attack missile launchers and radar bases then they can easily organise escorted food drops .............. but they don't ....because there is no oil in it for them Food for oil.........phfah!!!!!........wot next food for soil in Ethiopia??????? |
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Come to think of it - Milosevic never really attacked any other countries - so technically I guess we shouldn't have gone into Bosnia. That was preemptive. True he was killing people - but they were his people. Quote:
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By the gods man there have been food drops in many a country ruled by dictatorship ........................yes it is supposed to be a "world governing body.............why then did the USA ask for "special sancions" |
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Originally posted by BeardofPants He has a point there, JD. Now admit it........... you have a woman's bottom! I'll wager that sweet round pair of peaches has never been forced 'twixt two splintered planks, to plug a leak and save a ship! 'Tis better to be a mere lapdog to a stripling of a girl than a...a...git!'
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Just because you say it's so doesn't mean it happened. The biggest threat to world peace sits in the US white house. You keep repeating that bilge about Saddam being a threat to world peace. Under what scenario is world peace threatened? Do you not see the flaw in the logic of saying that we must wage a war to have peace? You compare SH to Hilter and say he is crazy. Crazier than Kim of N. Korea? And he actually does have nukes. We know that because of intelligence. The truth is that the administration tried out several different justification stories and picked the one that the polls showed the public responded to the most. Why didn't they START with the UN and then say it was hopeless and we needed to go it alone? Were you worried about WMDs a year ago or was it just pounded into your head by shear repetition? When asked whether they support the war in the context of the cost in terms of human life, money and regional stability, most americans are against the war. It is normal when asked a generic question about support to want to be patriotic and say one supports it. Would it not be simpler and more effective to let Hussein know as a matter of policy that any use of WNDs by terrorist would bring a retaliatory strike against Iraq? This was used during the gulf war and he didn't use them against US troops. Someone should step up and state what would be the required steps for getting disarmament AND the removal of sanctions so that at least we tried to have real peace and bring home our troops.
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Yeah, but a non-American can't say it for fear of retribution from a certain Jersey Devil....
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America bashing thread????
Ok ill admit that at times i can be a bit of a wind up merchant (but you allways rise to it JD ) but also the way your country has handled itself (esspecially your president) to a lot of things shocks and apparls a lot of us on this board.
You havent answred this question which i think is key. What would sadam hussain gain from attacking america? I accept that you are a proud US citizen that i can respect i am proud to be english. BUt i do not take the we are right and you are wrong attitude that you seem to accustomed to. There are ways in which the most powerful countrys behave and by attacking the USA would be breaking the most important. Only act in self defence. This is the way the more powerful countries have to behave. You do not have the right just to declare way on a country because of suspecission and fear. You have not once provided in your argueements one peice of soild evidence that sadam is a threat to you. I can understand why he doesnt want UN inspectors in Iraq. Its been over ten years now since the war ended. Isnt he entitled to a bit of peace? Has he done anything wrong to any country in that time? As for paying the US back after the marshal plan that was done more out of stablising the world economy rather out of pure good will. If we hadnt had support we would of surely still be struggling to recover even to this day. Ive given you a few points there but i want you to answer only one not the others because you seem to want to drag this topic into things away from this. Answer this What would sadam have to gain from attacking the US?
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If you mean, "Are we all going to get killed?" Yes.
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So then I guess you're right - we should just let him go on about his business. If he's making weapons and working on nuclear weapons - we should just trust in his common good sense and nice character not to use them.
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