Tolkien's Languages - Page 12

Ruinel · 05-18-2003, 10:29 PM

An te i carir i Quenya lambÃ«: man nÃ¡ i quetta an "crawl"?

Falagar · 05-20-2003, 07:54 AM

Looks like some of the posts have dissapeared

Ruinel · 05-20-2003, 03:33 PM

Yes, they have.

Repost the information you gave before.

Falagar · 05-20-2003, 04:11 PM

Trying to combine the words 'ground' and 'walking' to make something similar to 'crawl':

Ground/floor-talan (I think the stem is talam-, but I'm not sure...)

Walk-lelya

May try talamlelya, though I don't know how much we can thrust it...

OrnelÃrÃ« MistÃ« · 05-20-2003, 04:16 PM

Can we? Is ml a valid consonant cluster?

I myself searched many wordlists and could not find crawl. Falagar beat me to it.

EDIT: lm is valid, but not ml. If you meant to type ln, that is not valid, nor is ln. Could we switch the two, or double the n, or something, because of nasal infixion?

And come to think of it, whether we are walking or crawling, we walk usually on the ground/floor. So would that combination of words really be all that articulate?

Could you give us the context, maybe that would help??

Ruinel · 05-20-2003, 05:44 PM

Actually, LuthienTinuviel is looking for the word. I thought I would help her out.

This is her thread that she started in The Sil.

OrnelÃrÃ« MistÃ« · 05-23-2003, 11:18 PM

At last! A word for 'or'! Yeah! In case your interested...

or - ecar, erca, erce, herca

which one do you think we should make standard?

Ruinel · 05-24-2003, 09:36 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by OrnelÃ*rÃ« MistÃ«
At last! A word for 'or'! Yeah! In case your interested...

or - ecar, erca, erce, herca

which one do you think we should make standard?

Way to go, OrnelÃ*rÃ«! Where did you find it?

hmmm... if I had to choose, I like ecar best... pronounced (I assume)... EH-kar (the 'a' like father). I'm wondering how it would sound in a sentence, though. If the previous word ends in a vowel and our 'or' word ends in a vowel... hmmm... maybe herca is better.

OrnelÃrÃ« MistÃ« · 05-25-2003, 11:23 PM

I found it in newwords at Elm (Alalme), but I think they're acceptable. You have no idea whatsoever how much I needed this word.
Let's test out the words in sentences!!
ecar, erca, erce, herca

Luin ecar laica melal?
Luin erca laica melal?
Luin erce laica melal?
Luin herca laica melal?

Ardalambiondesse ecar Elmesse i Quenya tunnel?
Ardalambiondesse erca Elmesse i Quenya tunnel?
Ardalambiondesse erce Elmesse i Quenya tunnel?
Ardalambiondesse herca Elmesse i Quenya tunnel?

Ok, think that's enough. So what word do you think that works best in, or should I make more sentences? I'd love to, I haven't a life...

Ruinel · 05-27-2003, 12:04 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by OrnelÃ*rÃ« MistÃ«
I found it in newwords at Elm (Alalme), but I think they're acceptable. You have no idea whatsoever how much I needed this word.
Let's test out the words in sentences!!
ecar, erca, erce, herca

Luin ecar laica melal?
Luin erca laica melal?
Luin erce laica melal?
Luin herca laica melal?

Ardalambiondesse ecar Elmesse i Quenya tunnel?
Ardalambiondesse erca Elmesse i Quenya tunnel?
Ardalambiondesse erce Elmesse i Quenya tunnel?
Ardalambiondesse herca Elmesse i Quenya tunnel?

Ok, think that's enough. So what word do you think that works best in, or should I make more sentences? I'd love to, I haven't a life...

hmmm... this is good. I like using the word herca when the preceding word ends in an 'e' but the erca sounds nice when the preceding word ends in a consonant. *is torn between them*

OrnelÃrÃ« MistÃ« · 05-27-2003, 04:00 PM

Why not both? I think it's a good idea.

Ruinel · 05-31-2003, 11:56 AM

Sanda. CaruvalmÃ« quenteli yo yÃºyo.

'Erca' a 'herca' nÃ¡s!

TuluvalmÃ« lilliÃ« sÃ*men ten i quetÃ« Quenyon. ÃšlilliÃ« tulsÃ*men ten carÃ« quenti herca quenteli. Sin nÃ¡ ÃºmÃ¡ra ten i lia. I lia firuva! Engalmes erca sin firuva!!!

OrnelÃrÃ« MistÃ« · 05-31-2003, 08:41 PM

NÃ¡n alassea- quen tence! A nÃ¡ 'raica', nÃ¡s 'ar'. A nÃ¡ yÃ¡rÃ«a Quenyo. 'Quentelli' harya atta 'lambi' (2 L's).

Translation: We will find many threads/peoples here for the speaking of Quenya. Not many people here find for to make stories or sentences. this is ungoog for the thread. the thread will die. we will save it or it will die.

Correction: You said 'quete' for the gerund which is 'speaking', yes? Gerunds are formed by adding -ta, so it should be 'quetita'. Adding -ta also forms the extended infinitive. Therefore, 'quetita' also means in order to speak.

Ruinel · 05-31-2003, 11:54 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by OrnelÃ*rÃ« MistÃ«
NÃ¡n alassea- quen tence! A nÃ¡ 'raica', nÃ¡s 'ar'. A nÃ¡ yÃ¡rÃ«a Quenyo. 'Quentelli' harya atta 'lambi' (2 L's).

Translation: We will find many threads/peoples here for the speaking of Quenya. Not many people here find for to make stories or sentences. this is ungood for the thread. the thread will die. we will save it or it will die.

Correction: You said 'quete' for the gerund which is 'speaking', yes? Gerunds are formed by adding -ta, so it should be 'quetita'. Adding -ta also forms the extended infinitive. Therefore, 'quetita' also means in order to speak.

Ah... Hantanyel. Ãšhaiya ni mi Ardalambion.
I had to start over to make my notes on Quenya.
As far as I know, Ãš- also means 'not'. so 'not good' instead of 'ungood'.

lin- is the root for 'many'. However, linliÃ« isn't allowed (that I know of) so the 'n' was changed to 'l'. Double L is allowed. But not 'nl'. So, it is 'many people'. I know that is confusing though.

Translation: On the contrary joy- somebody write(?)! 'A' is wrong, it is 'ar'. 'A' is olden Quenya. 'Sentences' possess two 'tongues'.

Er nÃ¡ met mi lia. TuluvalmÃ« liÃ« ÃºnÃ³tima an lia! Man sinomÃ« tuluvalmÃ« quetita liÃ«? Manen tuluvalmÃ« te hyÃ¡?

OrnelÃrÃ« MistÃ« · 06-01-2003, 12:01 AM

Yes, yes... only by Nan i meant I am. I am happy....etc.

Translation: Only are we in the thread. We will find people uncountable for the thread! Where in this place will we find speaking people? Where will we find others besides us?

No no no! A gerund is a noun form of a verb. Example: We liked the band's playing. Playing is a noun.
So quetita is wrong. how about: lie i quete? People that speak.

Hantanyel. Ãšhaiya ni mi Ardalambion
Trans: Thank you. Not far I (am) in Ardalambion.

Maybe we could find people who speak other Tolkien languages? We really need more people.

Ruinel · 06-01-2003, 12:44 AM

Anwa nar quentilla. Nan ni lÃ¡ handÃ« i illambi Tolkienon. Er Quenya lambÃ« queten. Ar, Ã³renya quetÃ« nin i lia firuva!

OrnelÃrÃ« MistÃ« · 06-01-2003, 12:10 PM

Trans: True are your words. But I (have) not understanding (of) all the languages of Tolkien. Only quenya language I speak. And, my heart to speak to me the thread will die!

LÃ¡ haryan hande tella-quenteleo.

Hande nin tella-quenteleo antalye?

Ruinel · 06-01-2003, 01:15 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by OrnelÃ*rÃ« MistÃ«
LÃ¡ haryan hande tella-quenteleo.
Hande nin tella-quenteleo antalye?

No I possess/have knowledge/understanding not your last sentence. Understanding for me not your last sentence you face?

Ya rato nÃ«a, quetel sin. I lia tulu alassÃ« nin.

le nÃ¡ nÃ³mÃ« handonllo?

OrnelÃrÃ« MistÃ« · 06-01-2003, 01:50 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Ruinel
No I possess/have knowledge/understanding not your last sentence. Understanding for me not your last sentence you face?

Ya rato nÃ«a, quetel sin. I lia tulu alassÃ« nin.

le nÃ¡ nÃ³mÃ« handonllo?

Not quite, it is: I do not have understanding of your last sentence. Understanding to me of your last sentence will you give? (anta= give, -lye=you; verbs go at end of sentence in questions)

Trans:As soon as I hope you speak it, you speak thus. The thread brings joy to me.
You are place (from beyond/intelligent/understanding)?

Hantanyel!

Ruinel · 06-01-2003, 02:16 PM

The last sentence in the post earlier was:
"my heart tells me that this thread shall die."

Ya rato nÃ«a, quetel sin. I lia tulu alassÃ« nin.

le nÃ¡ nÃ³mÃ« handonllo?
"Which soon may it be, you speak this. The thread make joy for me.

You is/are out of place of knowledge?"
I was trying to ask you if you were out of school, and I couldn't figure out a way to say it.

MÃ¡ra nÃ¡ i tuc-avatar. Lala antas nin, ar "Teen Girl Squad"! LOL!

05-20-2003, 07:54 AM	#222
Falagar Death of Mooters and [Entmoot] Internal Affairs Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Oslo, Norway Posts: 2,870	Looks like some of the posts have dissapeared __________________ FÃ«anor - Innocence incarnated Still, AikanÃ¡ro 'till the Last battle.

05-20-2003, 04:11 PM	#224
Falagar Death of Mooters and [Entmoot] Internal Affairs Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Oslo, Norway Posts: 2,870	Trying to combine the words 'ground' and 'walking' to make something similar to 'crawl': Ground/floor-talan (I think the stem is talam-, but I'm not sure...) Walk-lelya May try talamlelya, though I don't know how much we can thrust it... __________________ FÃ«anor - Innocence incarnated Still, AikanÃ¡ro 'till the Last battle.

05-20-2003, 04:16 PM	#225
OrnelÃrÃ« MistÃ« Elven Warrior Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 482	Can we? Is ml a valid consonant cluster? I myself searched many wordlists and could not find crawl. Falagar beat me to it. EDIT: lm is valid, but not ml. If you meant to type ln, that is not valid, nor is ln. Could we switch the two, or double the n, or something, because of nasal infixion? And come to think of it, whether we are walking or crawling, we walk usually on the ground/floor. So would that combination of words really be all that articulate? Could you give us the context, maybe that would help?? __________________ "Lot of people say this city looks like Hell," Allie said. She took a long drag from her cigarette. The glowing tip burned a hole in the darkness. "Most people never been to Hell," Jacob said. She looked at him and he could hear the smile in her voice. "And I suppose you have?" Last edited by OrnelÃrÃ« MistÃ« : 05-20-2003 at 04:20 PM.

05-23-2003, 11:18 PM	#227
OrnelÃrÃ« MistÃ« Elven Warrior Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 482	At last! A word for 'or'! Yeah! In case your interested... or - ecar, erca, erce, herca which one do you think we should make standard? __________________ "Lot of people say this city looks like Hell," Allie said. She took a long drag from her cigarette. The glowing tip burned a hole in the darkness. "Most people never been to Hell," Jacob said. She looked at him and he could hear the smile in her voice. "And I suppose you have?"

05-25-2003, 11:23 PM	#229
OrnelÃrÃ« MistÃ« Elven Warrior Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 482	I found it in newwords at Elm (Alalme), but I think they're acceptable. You have no idea whatsoever how much I needed this word. Let's test out the words in sentences!! ecar, erca, erce, herca Luin ecar laica melal? Luin erca laica melal? Luin erce laica melal? Luin herca laica melal? Ardalambiondesse ecar Elmesse i Quenya tunnel? Ardalambiondesse erca Elmesse i Quenya tunnel? Ardalambiondesse erce Elmesse i Quenya tunnel? Ardalambiondesse herca Elmesse i Quenya tunnel? Ok, think that's enough. So what word do you think that works best in, or should I make more sentences? I'd love to, I haven't a life... __________________ "Lot of people say this city looks like Hell," Allie said. She took a long drag from her cigarette. The glowing tip burned a hole in the darkness. "Most people never been to Hell," Jacob said. She looked at him and he could hear the smile in her voice. "And I suppose you have?"

05-18-2003, 10:29 PM	#221
Ruinel Banned Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: I have no idea. Posts: 5,441	An te i carir i Quenya lambÃ«: man nÃ¡ i quetta an "crawl"?

05-20-2003, 03:33 PM	#223
Ruinel Banned Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: I have no idea. Posts: 5,441	Yes, they have. Repost the information you gave before.

05-20-2003, 05:44 PM	#226
Ruinel Banned Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: I have no idea. Posts: 5,441	Actually, LuthienTinuviel is looking for the word. I thought I would help her out. This is her thread that she started in The Sil.

05-27-2003, 04:00 PM	#231
OrnelÃrÃ« MistÃ« Elven Warrior Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 482	Why not both? I think it's a good idea. __________________ "Lot of people say this city looks like Hell," Allie said. She took a long drag from her cigarette. The glowing tip burned a hole in the darkness. "Most people never been to Hell," Jacob said. She looked at him and he could hear the smile in her voice. "And I suppose you have?"

05-31-2003, 11:56 AM	#232
Ruinel Banned Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: I have no idea. Posts: 5,441	Sanda. CaruvalmÃ« quenteli yo yÃºyo. 'Erca' a 'herca' nÃ¡s! TuluvalmÃ« lilliÃ« sÃmen ten i quetÃ« Quenyon. ÃšlilliÃ« tulsÃmen ten carÃ« quenti herca quenteli. Sin nÃ¡ ÃºmÃ¡ra ten i lia. I lia firuva! Engalmes erca sin firuva!!! Last edited by Ruinel : 05-31-2003 at 06:20 PM.

05-31-2003, 08:41 PM	#233
OrnelÃrÃ« MistÃ« Elven Warrior Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 482	NÃ¡n alassea- quen tence! A nÃ¡ 'raica', nÃ¡s 'ar'. A nÃ¡ yÃ¡rÃ«a Quenyo. 'Quentelli' harya atta 'lambi' (2 L's). Translation: We will find many threads/peoples here for the speaking of Quenya. Not many people here find for to make stories or sentences. this is ungoog for the thread. the thread will die. we will save it or it will die. Correction: You said 'quete' for the gerund which is 'speaking', yes? Gerunds are formed by adding -ta, so it should be 'quetita'. Adding -ta also forms the extended infinitive. Therefore, 'quetita' also means in order to speak. __________________ "Lot of people say this city looks like Hell," Allie said. She took a long drag from her cigarette. The glowing tip burned a hole in the darkness. "Most people never been to Hell," Jacob said. She looked at him and he could hear the smile in her voice. "And I suppose you have?"

06-01-2003, 12:01 AM	#235
OrnelÃrÃ« MistÃ« Elven Warrior Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 482	Yes, yes... only by Nan i meant I am. I am happy....etc. Translation: Only are we in the thread. We will find people uncountable for the thread! Where in this place will we find speaking people? Where will we find others besides us? No no no! A gerund is a noun form of a verb. Example: We liked the band's playing. Playing is a noun. So quetita is wrong. how about: lie i quete? People that speak. Hantanyel. Ãšhaiya ni mi Ardalambion Trans: Thank you. Not far I (am) in Ardalambion. Maybe we could find people who speak other Tolkien languages? We really need more people. __________________ "Lot of people say this city looks like Hell," Allie said. She took a long drag from her cigarette. The glowing tip burned a hole in the darkness. "Most people never been to Hell," Jacob said. She looked at him and he could hear the smile in her voice. "And I suppose you have?" Last edited by OrnelÃrÃ« MistÃ« : 06-01-2003 at 12:13 AM.

06-01-2003, 12:44 AM	#236
Ruinel Banned Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: I have no idea. Posts: 5,441	Anwa nar quentilla. Nan ni lÃ¡ handÃ« i illambi Tolkienon. Er Quenya lambÃ« queten. Ar, Ã³renya quetÃ« nin i lia firuva!

06-01-2003, 12:10 PM	#237
OrnelÃrÃ« MistÃ« Elven Warrior Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 482	Trans: True are your words. But I (have) not understanding (of) all the languages of Tolkien. Only quenya language I speak. And, my heart to speak to me the thread will die! LÃ¡ haryan hande tella-quenteleo. Hande nin tella-quenteleo antalye? __________________ "Lot of people say this city looks like Hell," Allie said. She took a long drag from her cigarette. The glowing tip burned a hole in the darkness. "Most people never been to Hell," Jacob said. She looked at him and he could hear the smile in her voice. "And I suppose you have?"

06-01-2003, 02:16 PM	#240
Ruinel Banned Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: I have no idea. Posts: 5,441	The last sentence in the post earlier was: "my heart tells me that this thread shall die." Ya rato nÃ«a, quetel sin. I lia tulu alassÃ« nin. le nÃ¡ nÃ³mÃ« handonllo? "Which soon may it be, you speak this. The thread make joy for me. You is/are out of place of knowledge?" I was trying to ask you if you were out of school, and I couldn't figure out a way to say it. MÃ¡ra nÃ¡ i tuc-avatar. Lala antas nin, ar "Teen Girl Squad"! LOL!

Similar Threads
Thread	Thread Starter	Forum	Replies	Last Post
LOTR Discussion: Appendices E and F	Forkbeard	LOTR Discussion Project	11	09-15-2008 06:16 PM
Do you actually care about Tolkien's languages?	Peter_20	Middle Earth	6	08-25-2007 09:30 AM
Tolkien's Languages	Forkbeard	Middle Earth	3	10-14-2004 01:08 PM
Capturing Tolkien's Vision vs. A Literal Interpretation	Black Breathalizer	Lord of the Rings Movies	924	11-03-2003 09:53 PM
The Languages of Tolkien's Middle-Earth	bmilder	Middle Earth	15	04-30-2003 08:32 PM