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To me, people are a part of a discussion. It seemed like you were saying something in a more caring manner than usual, so I commented on it, then you said "I don't know why you would feel a sense of concern from me." So what could I conclude but that you DON'T feel a sense of concern from you? Anyway, you said it was false that you don't care about me, so I'll believe you that you DO care about me. I'm glad Quote:
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I repeat - if I believed the data supported evolution more, I would believe that evolution happened, with the additional philosophical belief that God provided the raw materials and set up the natural processes. The evolution I would believe in would be identical to the one you believe in. I would just add a philosophical part - that God is behind the raw materials and natural processes. Quote:
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And I repeat - please check the DATA sections of my posts on creationism so we can get back ON TOPIC!
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btw. were you talking about the Archaeoraptor liaoningensis from the National Geographic article, when you were talking about recent bird/dinosaur finds?
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I might put up a one-post summary tomorrow, or I might refer you again to my data posts - I don't know why you wouldn't prefer more data, but I'll consider a brief summary post for you. And if you disagree with everything I said in my data posts, why would you want a summary of them? I don't understand. It's late now, I"m off to bed!
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two non-Archaeoraptor liaoningensis pieces of scientific evidence to supplement JD's post
Archaeopteryx - once thought t be the first bird, now shown to have more in common with coelophysids and coelurosaurs Syntarsis - once thought to be a dinosaur, now shown to have much in common with pre-ostrich aviformes both are neither bird nor dinosaur, where does this fit in? Although most schools of thought now class aves (birds) as a sub-class of the class dinosauria, dinosaurs having been proven to not fit into the class reptilia |
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Anyway, I'd add that I'm using there the term "believe" in two senses: "faith believing" for God, and "reason-phisical experience believing" for the theories of Creationism. Although both senses have in common to be reffering to things presented as truth to the mind, the "believing" in the theories of Creationism might be explained in rational-experimental terms, at least to the point of demonstrate (or at least to show the possibility) that the world (cosmos, whatever) has a begining and that their initial forces cannot be explained by themselsves. Of course, to speak of Creation you must add another data that comes from faith: that that non-found explanation is personal and it's our God.
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So basically, I think we can both agree that the typing monkey analogy is nothing more than an analogy to make the biochemistry easier to grasp and comprehend. You must admit that the analogy was at least a little bit good, no? Please JD and RÃ*an, can't you PM each other instead? I'm getting kind of bored seeing you posting in circles, page up and down.
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See, I tend to see the typing monkey analogy used to support macroevolution, in which case I think it is entirely inappropriate, for reasons I explained. And from what I can tell, it's also fairly inappropriate for your case, because you're talking about accumulated, related remembering, and "remembering" for things that haven't happened yet (i.e., the beneficial mutations coming up). Does that make sense? Quote:
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I'm trying to get to the bottom of what makes you actually believe that creationism is true. You seem unwilling to do this. BTW - I find it rather funny that for 2 years you've had no problem going around in circles, as you even mention in the complaint about religion being dragged into so many threads thread - yet you now say it's boring for you because I've basically don't politely say to you "oh okay" and move on - like so many other people do here. You want people to just accept what you have to say and I don't. I've asked for evidence in the "Should Evolution be Taught in Schools" - I got the same responses from you there. Oh well. I suppose you really can't back up your statements in one simple post.
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