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Alcoholic Villain-Fancying Elf Pirate
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Wow, that's really interesting, RE.
But I really loved the irony of Satan's name being Lucifer...and it makes sense, seeing as he was once an angel...
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SAM what the hell was that post?
religion is not the cause of hospitals. Sick people wanting to healthy is. And this talk of Islamic and chinese medicence being some grand and glorious is just popular poo poo. check out some REAL history of medicence This was not said in a way to flame.
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About Eowyn, Does anyone know what her alias Dernhelm means? She was kown as dernhelm because of her exclaimation when she realized that the rider's headgear was heavy and obscured her sight. 'Dern Helm" Culled from Entmoot From Kirinski 57 and Wayfarer. Last edited by afro-elf : 07-29-2002 at 05:15 AM. |
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About Eowyn, Does anyone know what her alias Dernhelm means? She was kown as dernhelm because of her exclaimation when she realized that the rider's headgear was heavy and obscured her sight. 'Dern Helm" Culled from Entmoot From Kirinski 57 and Wayfarer. |
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im quite stupid
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As for what you are aiming out without religion there would be no good people who would help. This is simple not the case. If i saw a situation i could help i sure as hell would. All religion say some good things. But religion is the majot cause of difference and intolerece. It divides people on such a level. People who strongly support religion are biased and blind and have set ideas. im not against any one religion we should just get rid of them all. my perents made me go to church when i was young and i refused to go at age of five saying 'this is all wrong' and they said yes it is all wrong son the only thing you should believe in is yourself and other people not in some phony god.
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Well it is natural that less medically savvy cultures would turn to religion (or simply the supernatural) as part of the healing process. After all, it is in dire situations (like when you or a close relative of yours are in pain) that people feel greater need to spiritual comfort and hope. So that’s why the association between religion and medicine started.
Medicine wasn’t the result of religion; merely it was something that associated itself naturally with it.
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im quite stupid
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i think a lot of people turn to religion when sumone is about to die just out of despiration not that they think it will help. But people who are ill are just covering there bases.
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Sween, they would be in a highly emotional state; it is not simply a rational choice of covering all the possibilities. People under such circumstances are [usually] very frightened, feeling powerless, and do need something to hold on, hence greater religiousness.
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Emplenix, belief in God should not be done because one thinks it have anything to gain from it.
Personally I admire much more the unbeliever that lives his life as a moral men, expecting nothing after death, that the believer that does so, waiting for Paradise as his reward.
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I don't see why I would need the excuse of religion to do good. If I see someone hurt I will help them, not because of god, but because I believe we have a responsibility to help each other, being here on the same planet and all. Has nothing to do with religion.
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To be sure... you can do good without any reason at all. But that's the difference between relativism and absolutism.
Relativitism says that doing good is fine if that's what you want to do, but if you want to rape, pillage, and murder, well, that's your choice as well. In fact, it's not a matter of good at all, it's simply one thing versus another thing. Absolutism says that you should do good whether you feel like it at the moment or not, because some things are actually better than other things, not simply for you in this instance, but for everyone in every instance. That said, I'll move back a little. Elvellon: In christianity, at least (although it's probably unique in this) heaven is not something that is rewarded based on how you live your life, but something that anyone who wishes may have. As a collory, people who have assurance of heaven upon death will be motivated to act out that assurance, not in hopes of making themselves good enough to enter the presence of god, but because the presence of God is making them good in ways they couldn't otherwise be.
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Help me ancient ones.
The monkeys have taken over. Listen to them chatter endlessly about ethics, politics, meaning, religion and global corporations. Give me strength that I may purge them from the planet, and your chosen race, the Deep Ones, may once again walk the land! Of course, I'd like to keep a couple of the females as pets.... ![]()
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Location: If home is where the heart is, and my heart is in heaven...that should answer your question. <+><
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Now tell me HONESTLY. If you were sick and were brought up under the STUPID impression that if you didn't do such and such a thing you would go to hell wouldn't you want to be healed?So even if the hosptials came about because people merely wished ot be healed(well no WONDER. They were scared of death and so they didn't want to die.) So relegion STILL comes into it...if that was the way it was. The Bible too says to take care of the ill and poor. And that's what the nuns in England DID, even though thier medical knowledge was crappy. And if it hadn't been for the varios holy books the people wouldn't have been taught that human life has value(I mean they knew more about THAT then we do today.) and should be saved if possible. Ok I want to ask you guys a question...where did the idea of No right No wrong come from? Back in the 50's and before there was no such thing. So if morals was made up by the society...then where did this idea come from? Do we sih to go back to Eden THAT bad and talk to God again FACE TO FACE? Sweet!! Or is it the other way around. Do we wish to deny there IS a God? Just an idea and please dont tar and feather me for it. Just a few ideas if you dont mind folks, Cheers and may it stay that way, Sam
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Okay, I think it's time we had a group hug. *stretches out her arms as far as she can*
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hear, hear! Good idea, Rana!
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But what if I get boy germs?
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Emplynx and Pascal, sitting in a tree.....
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