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Don't forget that there are a lot of people who are neither Rep nor Dem. Libertarians are one example of a group that writes some really scathing stuff about the state of America. They may not be a contendor in the big races, but they do know how to work the media, and I know that in they are a popular party in the world of academia. Just thought I'd mention that, because one does need to remember that when they see an article critical of America, it may be someone who doesn't share the Republican OR the Democratic party view. The same could be said for articles written from the extreme right-thinking POV. |
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There is A LOT wrong with being anti-war - you yourself said it in your next statement. Being anti-war isn't the same as being for necessary wars. Was Bosnia necessary? By the way - all the people who watched the 9/11 Farenheit movie - you might want to try catching the film that was put together by the Iraqi about the MILLIONS that Hussein had killed during the 1990's and the mass graves. Also - I would like to point out to you that in my quote - I did NOT say "anti-war" - I said "anti-military" and I was referring to Kerry's voting record. So yes - there is a problem there. Let me repeat it so you can read it better... Quote:
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08-02-2004, 08:43 PM | #227 | |
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MY opinion is that Bush did go into Iraq for the right reasons - strategically it is a central point in the Middle East. With Afganistan on one side and Iraq on the other and Turkey to the north - it can put definite pressure on Iran. It may have also have been the catilist for Lybia to give up it's weapons programs. I also feel that based on what came out of the 9/11 Commission report - which supports Bush's claim that Hussein and Bin Ladin had ties - that it was a necessary war and something that should have been done long ago. You can hide and say you aren't talking about Iraq and Bush all you want - but you clearly are. You just want to act as if I believe that Bush lied and therefore it is me who is associating your statement. The only reason why I am associating it - is because it's the usual liberal mantra for the 2004 election.
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So which is it - anti-war or "war when necessary". It seems as if you now saying that by denying the military necessary equipment that is a good thing. Let's go through your logic here... 1) anti-war = good 2) go to war when necessary 3) anti-military=anti-war 4) military is needed when fighting a war So let's see - Kerry has a proven record of voting down repeatedly things the military needs to operate. yet you seem to say that sometimes war is necessary and okay. yet, a military is needed when fighting a war. But yet - Kerry votes down things that support the military which then leaves our troops defenseless and the US vulnerable. I don't get it. We are in the middle of a war - and the democratic candidate has a history of not supporting the military, but yet is running on his hero status of Vietnam. I'm just confused by the liberal logic in all that I guess.
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One thing I don't understand was where was everyone with the war in Bosnia - that was a civil war. Why weren't people so against that? There was a lot less at stake there and it concerned the US very little. Eurpope could have handled it if it started spreading across the border. Why didn't we just do sanctions there? As far as I'm concerned = there was a lot more at stake with Hussein and iraq than wtih Bosnia and therefore I don't see why liberals accept the one - but are against the other. The only thing I can think of is that one was by Clinton and the other was by Bush. By the way - I was for the war in Bonsnia because of the ethnic cleansing. I think we should have gone in there beforehand. It seemed to be Hitler all over again as Europe watched on. I also was against us pailing out of Somalia - which the 9/11 commision report says Al Qaeda was behind.
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We did do a lot - kept giving Hussein ONE more chance. Well the chances ran out - that was it - time up. Quote:
The key reason I support the war in Iraq is becuase I think iraq is a big piece of the puzzle in combatting terrorism long term. The Middle East has to change and there are multiple things that have to be done. Ira is one part of that puzzle. We can no deal with Iran - without having first dealt with Iraq. We can not deal with Saudi Arabia - without dealing with Iraq. And I'm not talking about war with Iran or Saudi Arabia - I'm talking about putting pressure on them.
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There are very many reasons why I will not support Kerry and all of them deal with the war in Iraq, the war on terrorism, his attitude toward the UN and Europe. I will not have a president who feels that the UN and Europe (particularly France and Germany) should be dictating our national security and responses.
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I find it funny that George Bush is using the liberation of the Iraqi to his full advantage and put his war into a "positive light". However, it is complete garbage.. If the U.S. really cared about liberating the poeple of Iraq, George Bush Senior should have done it during the Persian Gulf War. That was over a decade ago, it just goes to show what a phony George Bush is, because the truth is he didn't give a damn and neither did the United States. I also find it highly amusing that conservatives like to blame the terrorist attacks on Clinton and democrats. I would like to take time to "honor" (if that is an appropriate word) the man who more than anyone else made those attacks a reality: George Bush Senior. Isn't it ironic that when Iraq invaded Kuwait, in any other era, this invasion would have gone unnoticed, as the actions of one desert regime against another would not have had any effect upon the world scene. However, because of the fact that a huge portion of the world’s crude oil comes from the Persian Gulf region, that was enough to make politicians panic, as people began to assess the possibilities of Saddam Hussein having control over that oil. |
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I'm not a democrat, I'm a liberal, I don't like Kerry and I don't like Bush. |
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As for Hussein controlling the oil - that would have been a world catastrophe. You can ignore the importance of oil if you want - but it exists and it is real. Oil has been a political factor in the Middle East way before the US ever got involved.
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I am glad that you agree that being anti-war is idealistic. Too bad most liberals are idealistic instead of looking at the facts of the world. Quote:
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