03-28-2004, 05:18 PM | #221 | |
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The thing about the Passion that seemed quite anti-Semetic to me was that it didn't really show the motives of the Jews. Yes of course, they showed him in a trial, guilty of blasphemy, etc. etc. But it didn't really show what was going on. Of course, being Jewish, I look at this differently than most Christians, because I don't believe he was the son of God. And neither did the Sanhedrin. So, there's this person who's talking about being the son of God and stuff like that, and he's drawing attention to the Romans. If there's some guy who says he's the King of the Jews to the Romans, they're not going to be too kind about it. As you probably know, the Roman empire wasn't very nice to the Jews at all, and if one person says he's the King of the Jews, it may cause them to massacre. This isn't very unrealistic; similar things happened in Nazi Germany and other such empires. So, the Sanhedrin has a choice. It can let this person do this, and have the Romans kill hundreds of people as a very possible result, or have this one person killed. If I were them, it would be a very very tough decision, but because I don't and they didn't believe he was any bit more divine than anyone else, I'd probably have him killed too. In the movie, it makes the Sanhedrin look as if they just want him dead because he's being blasphemous. It goes way beyond blasphemy.
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A bit of an anticlimax for Jesus to recieve the common punishment, he was after all dying for our sins, he couldve recieved a more memorable beating than some common theif or rapist would get... Quote:
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Here's one perspective on the trial and involvement of the Sanhedrin:
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Khamul, regarding the Devil and the demon-babe; I'm pretty sure that that was intended as a satanic parody of the Mother Mary holding the Infant Jesus, a very popular image among historic Christians both Western and Eastern.
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I just saw this so called 'masterpiece' of a movie,and I wasn't impressed at all. It was basically a torture movie, and I felt nothing towards Jesus...except maybe the physical pain he was going through...but I didn't feel that sad or anything when he was crucified. Now I'm not religious, and maybe that's why I didn't enjoy it, but I do have some knowledge of Jesus' story and I could follow what was going on...but I felt no emotional attachment to Jesus. He wasn't developed very well. The direction was very good, however....very good visuals and shots. The gore was the most realistic I've ever seen, and I spent most of the movie wondering how they did it. It just wasn't a good movie. I guess it was more of a documentary (and I use the term very loosely here...seeing as how there is no proof) for religious people. To me it seemed like it was a snuff film with high production value.
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I can agree with you on the point of it not being a very developed story in the movie. I mean, me, knowing the story and its backround and what happened before and after, I can understand and appreciate what's going on. But just taking the movie itself at face-value, could be kind of confusing and/or frusterating. Boring, even, perhaps, because there's really nothing in the movie itself to inspire you to really care who this guy being crucified is. It's kind of like, you're just inserted into this part of a person's life, with no real intro to the person, or any kind of intro for the people around him, and what in the world's going on... Thinking about it, I can see why some people are upset that there was not more backround on the Jews, and the religous leaders, because, just taking the movie itself, it could look like they're just some maniacs out to kill one guy for no good reason, when in fact they did have sensible reasons for wanting to get rid of Jesus. But, again, I'd refer anybody to the Bible first, not the movie. There are things in the movie that are switched and changed around, and the director and the editor had to make choices of what was more important to leave in the film, and it might come off as saying something that it doesn't, or that they didn't mean it to. I guess it has to do with view-points, really.
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So are you saying the book was better then the film?
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04-08-2004, 01:14 PM | #229 |
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I'm saying the Book is infinately better than the film!
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purist!
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04-08-2004, 01:26 PM | #231 |
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lol!
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(Shuddering at the thought of PJ being involved)
"We've gotta play up the love interest with Mary whats'ername...and maybe make a couple of the disciples comic relief."
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For those of you wondering how Gibson knew how badly Jesus was flogged, etc.:
In Isaiah 52:13-15, it may have come as an interpretation from this passage: See, my servant will act wisely ; he will be raised and lifted up and highly exalted. Just as there were many who were appalled at him his appearance was so disfigured beyond that of any man and his form marred beyond human likeness- so will he sprinkle many nations, and kings will shut their mouths because of him. For what they were not told, they will see, and what they have not heard, they will understand. Some scholars interperate this as saying Jesus will be "marred beyond human likeness"; so hurt and whipped and torn apart that he would be unrecognizable.
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"OK, but wait! There IS a dwarf... that 'Zacchaeus' guy... who had to climb a tree to even see Jesus... let's make him one of the Twelve! THERE'S our comic relief!" "Do there really have to be twelve? Most of 'em don't even have speaking parts. How 'bout we cut out six, add the short dude and a woman... that Mary Whatzername... that'll make eight." "And we should really try to get Orlando Bloom again... maybe make him 'John' - then he can jump up on the cross or something." "You know... this Jesus gets too many of the best lines. Can't we spread them around to the other disciples a bit?" "How about some additional sound effects at 'The Last Supper'?"
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I don't believe the post of this thread are within the PG-13 bounds. So much violence is being talked about.
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Ladies and gentlemen, The Passion of the Christ is already the seventh top grossing film of all time.
(RotK is 6th, TTT is 9th, and FotR is 14th) 100 Top Grossing movies of all time!
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What was the eye color supposed to symbolize? His eyes were at least 6 different colors during the movie.
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