10-24-2004, 04:35 PM | #221 |
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Ooh, this is interesting. I am fascinated by Catholicism in general (I'm protestant, pentecostal to be exact)
So, original sin is washed away by baptism in water? So you have to be baptised to enter Heaven. I was taught that the blood of Jesus, and only the blood of Jesus got you into Heaven, and it seems to me that if you were simply baptised (which I accept as a outward confession of an inward faith, and have been baptised myself) that that would not keep you from getting into Heaven. Trying to get some clarification here. What I am asking in a round about way is: If someone who accepted Jesus as their savior and believed everything about him and served him their whole lives faithfully, but was not Catholic and was not baptized, would they not get into Heaven? Even though they were 'washed' by the blood of the Lamb? Also, can you support this with scripture?
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10-24-2004, 04:46 PM | #223 |
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Why do oyu believe this? Were you bought up in a Christian family or did you discover Christ throught friends or Youth Groups?
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10-24-2004, 04:52 PM | #225 |
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I take it, Lizra, that you don't see any need for children to honor their parents? Clearly you're not a mother . . .
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Hey Pippin, my beliefs are outlined in depth on pages 6 through 11. Happy reading! (The core of my beliefs are largely explained on p. 8. PM me anytime buddy. )
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How do you interpret the second commandment? Is it okay to make statues of Jesus etc. ? About the fourth commandment, do you think it's okay to work on Sundays? Do you feel it disrupts the holiness of the day, or that it does not? Quote:
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Thanks for answering my questions Merry. I don't have anymore, so tell us more about your beliefs. Whatever you feel like saying.
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As for working on Sundays . . . Look at Jesus' reactions to the Sabbath. They give a pretty good answer to that question . Oh, sorry, I forgot that you haven't read the Bible. Jesus was amazing on the Sabbath. The Pharisees hated him for his behavior on those days (though for many, many other reasons too). He healed the sick on those days and did all kinds of good things. The Sabbath is about taking aside time and making it holy to God, as I understand it. Jesus' actions were holy to God. Some kinds of work on the Sabbath are holy to God. The scripture is meant to be interpreted with the Holy Spirit more then as a legalistic code, for which there is one answer that covers all situations. When it's taken as legal rules which may not ever fluctuate, no matter what the circumstances or situation, we can get into serious problems. Moral teachings don't fluctuate nearly so much. To me that's because they're like the laws of nature, only they're of the spirit.
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This isn't really about what Merry believes (unless... it is...) but why then do you feel that people thought it was wrong in North American society (and possibly others) to have shops open etc. in Sundays? (Obviously they aren't doing holy work, but Jesus did his work and we do ours...) This question is especially for Merry but also for everyone.
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In colonial America there were a lot of Puritans here, people very strict and legalistic in interpretation of the scripture. Not every Christian gets everything right. However, I don't feel fully qualified to speak on this, not having thought on this issue enough.
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In response to Nurv's comment about shops on Sundays,
I know that Chick-fil-a (which rocks out loud) is owned by a Christian man and is closed on Sundays. I think it is more so that their employees have the opportunity to go to church rather than it is sinful to work on Sundays. They don't want to be a reason why people(employees) can not go to church. That's just an example, I don't know about other organizations and whatnot.
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10-24-2004, 07:09 PM | #234 |
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Well that's certainly a good reason to be closed. It's not legalism; it's kindness.
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10-24-2004, 07:36 PM | #235 |
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Yeah, and not to mention they have killer wraps So I don't mind supporting them. Do jews still bide by the sabbath laws that say no working on the sabbath? I mean modern day jews, either in the west or in Israel. Do we have anyone from Israel here?
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10-24-2004, 09:50 PM | #238 |
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I don't know if that first question was directed at me, though it was probably for Merry, that atheist person, who lived the good life their whole lives and did their best not to sin would still go to Hell. Jesus is the way into heaven, the only truth, and the only way to live.
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Yep, that question was directed at Merry. *must resist answering with own beliefs... have already had turn...*
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Merry, do you believe that all of the 10 commandments are important as each other or that some like #6 are more important than others?
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