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Personally I wouldn't be calling marriage building blocks to society, but I think there is more to them than merely the religious or financial context. The love two people have for another may very well be their private business, but for some that is not enough. They want to pronounce themselves as a couple toward their society, to show that they are tied by more than merely living in the same house and sharing the same bed. And marriage is a very good tool for that.
Edit: Duh... cross-posted with Nurv and she said it better than me.
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my sentiments exactly, Chrys.
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(whenever I see the title of this thread, I can't get the Princess Bride wedding ceremony out of my head - "mawwidge!" )
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That cracked me up, Rian! How funny... I LOVE, love "The Princess Bride".
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I think your history is off a bit. Marriage has been a societal building block for millenia. The Church evolved forms to bless marriage. The problem with the "postmodern world" is that it refuses to learn anything from the past due to chronological snobbery. It thinks it knows best about everything. So, in your ideal "postmodern world" how should the issue of the result of "two consenting adults doing whatever" be handled when it comes down to dirty diaper changing, clothing, food, and shelter? Because in my professional experience of the "postmodern world" it comes down to that for the progeny. How do you propose to provide such care for the offspring of heterosexuals who employ your and Lotesse's conceptualization of relations between the sexes? And, in regards to homosexual liasons, how do you propose that the former partners are to resolve issues of custody (if they have adopted), support, and health care for the ill member of the former relationship, or the poor job prospects for the "homemaker" after being out of work? I am serious, not needling. Just how do you propose to resolve these issues? Lotesse, feel free to answer these also. I would like your ideas to be expounded as well.
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LCoU,
I rest my case. Everything will continue as it has in regard to relationships and support. So, no need for postmoderns to do anything except complain about how bad the system is until they have to think of something better. I believe this is called crying "Uncle".
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Marriage is and homosexual is; they are not interchangeable, therefore why should the terminology of the coupling be different in name, it preserves the distinction. please excuse my hasty spelling
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05-23-2005, 06:37 PM | #234 |
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But if marriage defines heterosexual unions, and homosexual defines life style choice or orientation then "civil union" or some such should define those unions and not be put into the definition of the former.......he said shaking the confusion from his brain
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there's that 'L' word again, i must get me a weapon to fight such sweeping generalisations, for that is what they are, some people seem to act as though gay men and women are simply one homogonised group, when in reality, there is little hegemony at all, simply a common sexuality, imagine the uproar if I were to make one vast sweeping generalisation about Het's the restriction of marriage to hetero/monogamous relationships is clearly sexualist, and ethnocentric
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Society is set up in such a way as to distinctly reward those who join together in sanctioned marriage, and why do you think that is? Two people of the opposite sex joining together often results in children - new people, new future taxpayers/soldiers/jailbirds (don't let me get started on the prison industrial complex in this nation). The state and/or the church, and the people who comprise the heads & leaders of said church and state, will not reward non-breeders, because what are THEY getting out of it?
Something to think about for a sec.
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ah yes, here we have another reason for the destruction of the traditional marriage as it is seen by society, the fact that marriage exists for the following reasons
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