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" ...But the Exiles on the shores of the sea, if they turned towards the West in the desire of their hearts, spoke of Mar-nu-Falmar that was whelmed in the waves, Akallabêth the Downfallen, Atalantë in the Eldarin tongue." "Ye who believe in affection that hopes, and endures, and is patient, Ye who believe in the beauty and strength of woman's devotion, List to the mournful tradition still sung by the pines of the forest ... " ~ Henry Wadsworth Longfellow, Evangeline |
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I think so, plus people expect to hear a certain thing from you so they listen for it.
To quote my newer male teacher, "I've heard people sing like pigs at auditions, then come back two years later sounding like Metropolitan Opera super stars but they get disqualified in the exact same round because the judges only remember how badly they sang the first time." ![]() |
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" ...But the Exiles on the shores of the sea, if they turned towards the West in the desire of their hearts, spoke of Mar-nu-Falmar that was whelmed in the waves, Akallabêth the Downfallen, Atalantë in the Eldarin tongue." "Ye who believe in affection that hopes, and endures, and is patient, Ye who believe in the beauty and strength of woman's devotion, List to the mournful tradition still sung by the pines of the forest ... " ~ Henry Wadsworth Longfellow, Evangeline |
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I love her.
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She's very popular in Norway. Yes, a very pure voice.
When she first became famous, she was still only a teenager. One of her first albums was a Christmas Carols one (in 1986) - the most-selling record of Norway ever. It has sold more than 600 000 copies, in a country with just over 4 million people ...
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I just gave my dad a lesson.
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Tessar, i'm so sorry today's lesson didn't go well
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Sorry it sounds like you had a rough time of it O_o. You've obviously made great mental strides since then.
So today during my lesson I vocalized to a solid G#. It ain't pretty yet, but it was definitely solid. I still believe I may have a performable A or even A# in me. We'll see ![]() Weirdness abounds, though. *sigh* So here's the latest addition to the weird-parade: My teacher at the school has been 'invited to stay for a year as an assistant professor of voice'. She has been working on several articles that she really wants to publish, but apparently the head of our music department (not voice, but entire music department) has asked her not to publish them till next year... Supposedly next year they're going to decide if they want her to go on a tenure track or not. But I just... I hope, for her sake, that they do that for her. She's a great lady and I think she's a fantastic teacher. But the problem is that I have seen way too many other teachers apply for tenure and not receive it. I can't imagine why they'll pull in this woman then one year later tenure track her when professors who have been there for years haven't gotten one. Unless of course this is also a 'political' thing and they want her there because they know she's a great teacher, and because she wants to publish articles... which would help them balance out the one guy who is a researcher/voice teacher and who has been asking for tenure on the basis of being the only one there to get articles published... which is a pretty decent argument in my opinion. She also apparently has some pretty fantastic ideas for musical theater technique (which I wont go into since she asked me not to reveal them ![]() *sigh* I don't know. This whole thing is weirdness. She was really nice today, though ![]() For all that her voice tends to be a little uneven in placement, I think she's got a pretty killer technique. She's definitely a low mezzo with a beautiful, thick lower range... but today during a faculty performance she sang a HUGE A5. I told her later that it almost sounded like a dramatic soprano, and asked if she had difficulty with those notes. She just laughed and said, "Oh, no... with good technique even a low voice like me can hit a High C." She even did a pianissimo to forte A5 for me... it was very impressive. She explained to me that she loves to sing but isn't really a performer because she's shy. She's been in a couple of operas though (with real opera companies, not just school productions and etc.) and has sung extensive oratorio. It sort of makes sense... I have, in a totally unscientific and possibly wrong way ![]() Last edited by Tessar : 09-08-2009 at 06:28 PM. |
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My sister is surprisingly awesome some times
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I *LOVE* this Aria!!!
I want to learn it! Ombre, piante - Handel's Rodelinda I've never heard of this singer before, but she has a timbre and qualities similar to mine. Note to self: Get more Handel aria books!! I only have one. I love the heart-stirring ones like this that are in a minor key. I love the minor mode!!! ![]()
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How's our Tessar doing today? Better, i hope?
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Not really. I apparently really trashed my voice because I sang so much Tuesday and then all day Wednesday, so yesterday it was not so good... and I had to sing a fair bit yesterday. I mean it was okay, but I sounded too heavy and I couldn't help being a little flat just because my voice was so worn. It didn't hurt, it was just uncomfortable.
My voice teacher at school wasn't very happy when I explained the problem, and we had a little conversation about how I need to be more sparing with my voice when I'm having allergy problems. I already knew that, but it didn't hurt to be reminded, I guess. I was just dumb and overused my voice. I have to be smarter though, because like she explained I've got a full plate... I can't afford to lose my voice because I'm being paid to sing at church, I have Pirate rehearsals that are a big part of my school reputation, and I have NATS in November, plus I hope to compete in our concerto and aria competition in December. So today I'm going to try my best not to sing, and same deal tomorrow. Today we have rehearsal from 3-5:30, and tomorrow from 9-12, so I may just have to explain to the director that I can't sing today. My throat feels fine now, but I'm not going to even bother trying to sing considering how crappy it felt last night. I think it's wiser to just go ahead and rest it. I'm physically exhausted, I can't really sing, and I still feel like the biggest idiot loser in the world for my stupidity over the choir thing. I'm trying to formulate a strategy to give the choir director the sound he wants. I think I might try feeding 'ah' into all of my vowels, and I'll trumpet the lips a little. We'll see if that makes it too mushy, but I think it's worth a try. I'll also try jamming my pallet up as high as I can to see if that helps. I think part of the problem on Wednesday night was that in my nervousness I probably sang vowels with my mouth in a tight position... not enough space on the inside, so I had plenty of ping but no warmth. Last edited by Tessar : 09-11-2009 at 11:06 AM. |
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My voice is still pretty trashed, but I'm praying it's on the mend and will be there on Sunday. At least I didn't sing in choir today, that's good. But I did have to sing quite a bit for Pirates today, and I -had- to practice my stuff for Sunday.
Tomorrow I'm going to try not to sing, and at least tomorrow I can sleep in till 8 instead of getting up at 6:30. I think the quintuple whammy of stress, less than optimal sleep and sleep amounts, over singing, working my high range so much in lessons, and probably allergies is what did me in and is why it's taking my voice so long to recover. I'm not sure if I'll be able to get away without singing entirely tomorrow though, because I still do need to practice The Heavens Are Telling some more, and from 9-12 we'll be doing the choreography for the police stuff... meaning all of MY stuff. Erk. |
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Well, you know I had a long conversation tonight with my friend about all of that and some of my other doubts and fears... and what I still feel like it boils down to is that I just can't make mistakes like this. Because there is someone out there better than I am, who wants this even more than I do, and who is going to be luckier than I am... and if I want to compete with them I have to not make mistakes. It's impossible to be perfect, but there's a difference between doing something not quite right and making an outright, stupid mistake like I did. Unfortunately our conversation was very illuminating, but it wasn't really comforting persay... which I wasn't really looking for comfort, so that's fine, but it just makes me realize how far I still have to go. He pretty much agreed that today in rehearsal my voice was thin, tired, small, and that I was over-driving it in an attempt to compensate for being exhausted and having so little voice to work with. And frankly I can't help but wonder if I even have that much voice even when I am healthy. It's pretty friggin' depressing, but that doesn't mean I have the slightest intention of giving up ![]() It just confirms that I need to do some recordings of my voice with decent equipment. Last edited by Tessar : 09-12-2009 at 12:04 AM. |
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