06-04-2003, 02:29 AM | #221 |
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Well, I'm just going to say that The Lord of the Rings is a STORY. It is NOT a collection of themes. A story rooted deeply in Christian and Catholic worldview (I forget, which of the Apostles was a short, bearded, clown?), and influenced by certain aspects of old Pagan (especially Norse) belief. But the fact that it is influenced by something does not change the fact that it is, pure and simple, a STORY.
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06-04-2003, 12:11 PM | #222 |
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Quite correct there are no thematic differences these are the essense of the authors vision. The film is from a perspective of plot in well over 90% agreement with in its details and settings with the literature. Even if certain characters and moviations are slightly altered how many of the characters actions are truly changed? Think of Aragorn for example. Peter Jackson made a movie that imparts Tolkiens values and maintains the vast hunk of plot without being mired down and constricted as an artist and he has shown the vision of Middle-Earth to a wider audience than it ever would have reached. Have you seen Ralph Bashki's attrocity of a film? His characters and dialogue and plot are almost exaclty the same as the literature and the movie is unwatchable.
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2) Do me a favour. Watch the scenes with Faramir, and come back and tell me the characters are SLIGHTLY altered. 3) That's a matter of opinion.
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06-04-2003, 01:46 PM | #224 |
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Faramir is more signifigantly altered for dramatic purpose I didnt like it I understood it you know his character has turned a corner when we see his defense of Ossgiliath and the causeway forts and his respect for Gandalf and defiance of his father I think he'll be okay. In any case you don't understand plot if you're talking about characterization these are two seperate aspects of a work get it straight. Tell me one setting or any single character that was in FOTR that was not in the book. Tell me how the plot and journey developed differently. In the TTT we had two scenes the journey to Osgiliath and the warg battle. I hated the warg battle but it was less than 10 minutes. The osgiliath scene was done for dramatic purpose but I don't like it either its just over 10 minutes. Thats 20 minutes of film in 6 hours of screentime 7 if you count the EE which we must if we're judging his artistic interpretation since he obviously would have included those scenes if he could. I dont know 90 percent seems fairly conservative maybe you should do the math?
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This has to be wrong! The Scouring of the Shire has to happen, it's one of the key events in the book! Not to mention one of my favorite ones! This has to be wrong!!!!!!! If PJ removes it from the ending....he's going to get very nasty letters from me!!!!!!!
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06-04-2003, 04:06 PM | #226 |
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The absence of the Scouring is a pretty well established fact.
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06-04-2003, 05:28 PM | #227 |
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True about the scouring he left that out just like crickhollow to bree but my point is he didnt really add much he just took what he thought was most important
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He just added a whole scene at Osgiliath, the fight scene on the way to Helm's Deep/ Aragorns cliff scene, numerous scenes with Arwen and Elrond........to name a few
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06-05-2003, 02:33 PM | #229 |
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*Begins to cry at the news of the absence of the Scouring*
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06-06-2003, 10:04 AM | #230 |
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Wow, I haven't posted in ages.
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06-17-2003, 09:22 PM | #232 |
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I heard that 2!! I was soooo mad! I also read that Grima, after killing saruman, gets shot by Legolas. If that happens, Legolas fan-girls are going to go crazy for no reason because the hobbits kill wormtongue in the book.
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Mae govannen, hectorberlioz, and welcome to the Entmoot! I hope you have a good time here.
By the dark messenger, might you mean the Mouth of Sauron, or the Witch-king?
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06-22-2003, 12:44 PM | #236 |
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"second why would he be there it totoally contradicts saurons method of managment!"
Well, Sauron did command armies in person for much of his career. Last edited by Lefty Scaevola : 06-22-2003 at 12:46 PM. |
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But then again, I think PJ is trying to rewrite the classic anyway and put his mark (or make an attempt at such) on the tale. He doesn't have what it takes to make his own story, so he is mucking up JRRT's tale and putting his own stamp on it. Ragnarok: you think that movie goers are too dumb to grasp JRRT's Sauron? That is sad. Perhaps, then, the story should never have been attempted for the screen. However, I think you are wrong. History is full of truely evil dictators that sent soldiers to die for them in battle, never lifting a physical finger themselves to fight their enemy. Who do you think the audience would hate more? An enemy that stands and fights along side his army, bravely risking his own life in the frey? Or a coward that sends his army to die for him as he sits comfortably and watches from a safe distance? Aewionen: I agree, there's no reason to change the story and take the glory from the Hobbits and give it to Legolas. Legolas is not the hero of the book! But then again I believe PJ will do it (or has done it) to appease the 11 year old girls who are love struck with Orlando Bloom. Pretty sick if you ask me. |
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