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Nevermind I read the question wrong
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'Et Eärello Endorenna utúlien. Sinome maruvan ar Hildinyar tenn' Ambar-metta!' - And those were the words that Elendil spoke when he came up out of the Sea on the wings of the wind: 'Out of the Great Sea to Middle-earth I am come. In this place will I abide, and my heirs, unto the ending of the world.' 'Then Tuor arrayed himself in the hauberk, and set the helm upon his head, and he girt himself with the sword; black were sheath and belt with clasps of silver. Thus armed he went forth from Turgon's hall, and stood upon the high terraces of Taras in the red light of the sun. None were there to see him, as he gazed westward, gleaming in silver and gold, and he knew not that in that hour he appeared as one of the Mighty of the West, and fit to be father of the kings of the Kings of Men beyond the Sea, as it was indeed his doom to be; but in the taking of those arms a change came upon Tuor son of Huor, and his heart grew great within him. And as he stepped down from the doors the swans did him reverence, and plucking each a great feather from their wings they proffered them to him, laying their long necks upon the stone before his feet; and he took the seven feathers and set them in the crest of his helm, and straightway the swans arose and flew north in the sunset, and Tuor saw them no more.' -Of Tuor and his Coming to Gondolin "Oh. Forgive me, fairest of all males of Entmoot...Back down, all ye other wannabe fairest males! Dunedain is the fairest!" --Linaewen Last edited by Dúnedain : 11-22-2003 at 02:13 PM. |
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11-23-2003, 04:46 PM | #223 |
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I looked it up. (as if you didn't know)
Who, from the Kings of Gondor, was called Alcarin (sp.), and what is the meaning of the name? |
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He kinda ties into another previous question, because he was the son of Hyarmendacil I. The other question asked which King of Gondor ruled during it's highest point. You could have also said it was Atanatar because the name "Alcarin" means "Glorious" and is sometimes called Gondor's greatest King, because during his rule Gondor was at it's height, even though his father help get it there
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'Et Eärello Endorenna utúlien. Sinome maruvan ar Hildinyar tenn' Ambar-metta!' - And those were the words that Elendil spoke when he came up out of the Sea on the wings of the wind: 'Out of the Great Sea to Middle-earth I am come. In this place will I abide, and my heirs, unto the ending of the world.' 'Then Tuor arrayed himself in the hauberk, and set the helm upon his head, and he girt himself with the sword; black were sheath and belt with clasps of silver. Thus armed he went forth from Turgon's hall, and stood upon the high terraces of Taras in the red light of the sun. None were there to see him, as he gazed westward, gleaming in silver and gold, and he knew not that in that hour he appeared as one of the Mighty of the West, and fit to be father of the kings of the Kings of Men beyond the Sea, as it was indeed his doom to be; but in the taking of those arms a change came upon Tuor son of Huor, and his heart grew great within him. And as he stepped down from the doors the swans did him reverence, and plucking each a great feather from their wings they proffered them to him, laying their long necks upon the stone before his feet; and he took the seven feathers and set them in the crest of his helm, and straightway the swans arose and flew north in the sunset, and Tuor saw them no more.' -Of Tuor and his Coming to Gondolin "Oh. Forgive me, fairest of all males of Entmoot...Back down, all ye other wannabe fairest males! Dunedain is the fairest!" --Linaewen |
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Correct!
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When King Elessar rode North, what did he give to Master Samwise on the Brandywine Bridge?
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'Et Eärello Endorenna utúlien. Sinome maruvan ar Hildinyar tenn' Ambar-metta!' - And those were the words that Elendil spoke when he came up out of the Sea on the wings of the wind: 'Out of the Great Sea to Middle-earth I am come. In this place will I abide, and my heirs, unto the ending of the world.' 'Then Tuor arrayed himself in the hauberk, and set the helm upon his head, and he girt himself with the sword; black were sheath and belt with clasps of silver. Thus armed he went forth from Turgon's hall, and stood upon the high terraces of Taras in the red light of the sun. None were there to see him, as he gazed westward, gleaming in silver and gold, and he knew not that in that hour he appeared as one of the Mighty of the West, and fit to be father of the kings of the Kings of Men beyond the Sea, as it was indeed his doom to be; but in the taking of those arms a change came upon Tuor son of Huor, and his heart grew great within him. And as he stepped down from the doors the swans did him reverence, and plucking each a great feather from their wings they proffered them to him, laying their long necks upon the stone before his feet; and he took the seven feathers and set them in the crest of his helm, and straightway the swans arose and flew north in the sunset, and Tuor saw them no more.' -Of Tuor and his Coming to Gondolin "Oh. Forgive me, fairest of all males of Entmoot...Back down, all ye other wannabe fairest males! Dunedain is the fairest!" --Linaewen |
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'Et Eärello Endorenna utúlien. Sinome maruvan ar Hildinyar tenn' Ambar-metta!' - And those were the words that Elendil spoke when he came up out of the Sea on the wings of the wind: 'Out of the Great Sea to Middle-earth I am come. In this place will I abide, and my heirs, unto the ending of the world.' 'Then Tuor arrayed himself in the hauberk, and set the helm upon his head, and he girt himself with the sword; black were sheath and belt with clasps of silver. Thus armed he went forth from Turgon's hall, and stood upon the high terraces of Taras in the red light of the sun. None were there to see him, as he gazed westward, gleaming in silver and gold, and he knew not that in that hour he appeared as one of the Mighty of the West, and fit to be father of the kings of the Kings of Men beyond the Sea, as it was indeed his doom to be; but in the taking of those arms a change came upon Tuor son of Huor, and his heart grew great within him. And as he stepped down from the doors the swans did him reverence, and plucking each a great feather from their wings they proffered them to him, laying their long necks upon the stone before his feet; and he took the seven feathers and set them in the crest of his helm, and straightway the swans arose and flew north in the sunset, and Tuor saw them no more.' -Of Tuor and his Coming to Gondolin "Oh. Forgive me, fairest of all males of Entmoot...Back down, all ye other wannabe fairest males! Dunedain is the fairest!" --Linaewen |
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That's right, there were two of them. That makes it more plausible (that Aragorn would part with one). That might make an interesting thread subject. I don't suppose the 2nd one had the powers of the first one. That one is documented as blazing brightly as if it had power of some sort. It even could not be subdued by the One Ring.
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Hey Guys, I think the appendix actually says that Aragorn gave Sam, "The Star of the Dunedain"... now THIS is getting outside of the appendix, but I wonder if that was something BESIDES either one of the Elendilmir. UT tells about the two Elendilmir and the different uses that Aragorn made of each one. As important as the shire-folk were to Aragorn, I don't know if he'd have parted with one of the Elendilmir so readily. I think there's even some discussion about that which I read (maybe also in the notes in UT? Or somewhere else???) that thinks it unlikely. Alternately, I wonder if what he actually gave Sam was the same emblem worn by each of the rangers (including Halbarad) who join Aragorn in Rohan... and if that was perhaps a token of their service to him. Maybe even a "badge" of sorts.
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Yes I believe UT does talk about it. The opinion that Aragorn didn't give Sam the Elendilmir was that of Christopher Tolkien, not JRR as I recall, so for me he doesn't count JRR said Aragorn gave it to Sam, so that's enough for me Also, about the radiance of it as Keith addressed, the original Elendilmir was much more extranvagant and it shone much brighter and clearly than the one made in Rivendell, even though that was gorgeous in and of itself as it is described. It is stated that the two could not be mistaken and that the original was better, but Aragorn grew to like the one made in Rivendell due to the tradition of his immediate descendants bearing it...
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'Et Eärello Endorenna utúlien. Sinome maruvan ar Hildinyar tenn' Ambar-metta!' - And those were the words that Elendil spoke when he came up out of the Sea on the wings of the wind: 'Out of the Great Sea to Middle-earth I am come. In this place will I abide, and my heirs, unto the ending of the world.' 'Then Tuor arrayed himself in the hauberk, and set the helm upon his head, and he girt himself with the sword; black were sheath and belt with clasps of silver. Thus armed he went forth from Turgon's hall, and stood upon the high terraces of Taras in the red light of the sun. None were there to see him, as he gazed westward, gleaming in silver and gold, and he knew not that in that hour he appeared as one of the Mighty of the West, and fit to be father of the kings of the Kings of Men beyond the Sea, as it was indeed his doom to be; but in the taking of those arms a change came upon Tuor son of Huor, and his heart grew great within him. And as he stepped down from the doors the swans did him reverence, and plucking each a great feather from their wings they proffered them to him, laying their long necks upon the stone before his feet; and he took the seven feathers and set them in the crest of his helm, and straightway the swans arose and flew north in the sunset, and Tuor saw them no more.' -Of Tuor and his Coming to Gondolin "Oh. Forgive me, fairest of all males of Entmoot...Back down, all ye other wannabe fairest males! Dunedain is the fairest!" --Linaewen |
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I reckon it's my turn for a Q...
What was Meriadoc's nickname after his return to the Shire? Last edited by Keith K : 11-25-2003 at 01:05 PM. |
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Ok here are a couple things relating to it:
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'Et Eärello Endorenna utúlien. Sinome maruvan ar Hildinyar tenn' Ambar-metta!' - And those were the words that Elendil spoke when he came up out of the Sea on the wings of the wind: 'Out of the Great Sea to Middle-earth I am come. In this place will I abide, and my heirs, unto the ending of the world.' 'Then Tuor arrayed himself in the hauberk, and set the helm upon his head, and he girt himself with the sword; black were sheath and belt with clasps of silver. Thus armed he went forth from Turgon's hall, and stood upon the high terraces of Taras in the red light of the sun. None were there to see him, as he gazed westward, gleaming in silver and gold, and he knew not that in that hour he appeared as one of the Mighty of the West, and fit to be father of the kings of the Kings of Men beyond the Sea, as it was indeed his doom to be; but in the taking of those arms a change came upon Tuor son of Huor, and his heart grew great within him. And as he stepped down from the doors the swans did him reverence, and plucking each a great feather from their wings they proffered them to him, laying their long necks upon the stone before his feet; and he took the seven feathers and set them in the crest of his helm, and straightway the swans arose and flew north in the sunset, and Tuor saw them no more.' -Of Tuor and his Coming to Gondolin "Oh. Forgive me, fairest of all males of Entmoot...Back down, all ye other wannabe fairest males! Dunedain is the fairest!" --Linaewen Last edited by Dúnedain : 11-24-2003 at 05:10 PM. |
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Thankyou for posting that Dunedain, you leave me deep in your debt.
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11-25-2003, 01:31 PM | #238 |
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I've given CT's comment some thought and I was inclined to agree with him, as I had always felt that the appendix reference to giving it as a gift just seemed improbable considering the Elendilmir's value. I had doubted it the first time I had read it. There is always an "out" concerning inconsistencies in the text. It is not first hand information but is actually a copy of the Red Book of Westmarch" and as such vulnerable to revisionism of history. Plus the Red Book is biased to a hobbit perspective of history in the first place.
Of course that viewpoint (Elendilmir as gift) was based only on the Red Book which we all know as Lord of the Rings. Since we now have new sources of information ( Unfinished Tales, the Silmirillion, etc). I believe that the Elendilmir was given as a gift. It is not unprecedented to do this with items of worth. The Ring of Barahir comes to mind for one. Also, IMHO since Sam was the greatest of all characters in the books he deserves it more than anyone else! PS: I hope we are not remiss in getting off subject from the trivia questions. Valandil opened it up in the first place and it is "his" thread. Last edited by Keith K : 11-25-2003 at 01:37 PM. |
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So much FUN to dicker over fictitious history, when it's all... fictitious!!
btw Keith, you really have me stumped on that Meriadoc question... just might have to look it up! Meanwhile, some guesses: 'Witch King Killer' 'Hero of the Battle of Bywater' 'Blower of the Silver Horn' |
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