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And Lief, while Romney hasn't exactly been Mr. Conservative himself on social issues, it's extremely disingenuous for McCain to claim that mantle with his "straight talk". He has said pro-life things, he has said pro-choice things. He has voted both ways. Depending on the situation. And while Rick Santorum is something of a backstabber himself (McCain campaigned for him), he has some insight into McCain's character behind the curtain and says McCain worked against bringing up abortion and marriage amendement bills. He's cursed out his rivals, called them bigots, and has dubious judgement, IMO. It's nice to say you're againt torture*. Hopefully as President, reality would settle in. He wants to give Guantanamo prisoners a chance at our court system. Disaster.
McCain is the choice for American Hero. He is not the choice for P.O.T.U.S. *Mark Bowden makes a fine-pointed case for outlawing waterbaording, with a twist. Part II
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http://www.votesmart.org/voting_cate...p?can_id=53270 As for verbal comments, this is an election. He may have chosen to verbally fudge up the line he has systematically taken in his voting record as senator. He may have done that to win votes from independents and to look more acceptable to both parties. Which is a bit deceptive, if that's what he's doing, but my feeling is that virtually every candidate is using some tricks that most of us would look askance on. I'm also more interested in the skills of the candidates than in little possible campaign tricks like that. That's why I don't hold against Hillary Clinton that her campaigners told college students what questions to ask her in a supposedly free question/ask meeting. It stinks, but that's the way it goes. It's not a huge deal. Quote:
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His sexual immorality isn't likely to effect his job performance, though, I should think. I just don't see any other Republican candidates except Guiliani that have really proven themselves. I prefer to vote for the one who is proven and thus more dependable, rather than the one who is untried.
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This is a repeat post, and I don't like its tone as much as the one above, so I'm dumping its content.
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Very true. The main reason being that they often want to take their money overseas. Taxation, in general, doesn't take any money out of the system, but it forces a lot of businesses to keep their money in the US economy.
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This is the weirdest campaign ad you've ever seen
http://boortz.com/more/video/best_campaign_ad_ever.html
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That's great!
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It's the coolest reason to vote for someone yet
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I'm heading home in a bit, whereupon I'll bother this thread with more of my *weak* analysis. Stay tuned
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01-30-2008, 09:35 AM | #230 |
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What's wrong, hector?
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Question: was FL a closed primary after all? Because McCain got 20% of non-Republican votes. Romney won the GOP vote 33-31. He won "Conservatives" (within the "GOP") 37-27.
http://corner.nationalreview.com/pos...Q4YzhjM2ZjODg= http://corner.nationalreview.com/pos...NkMmMwYzYzNjA= http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epo...imary-260.html http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/pri...dex.html#FLREP (pages 1-5) In short, Romney would have won if it had truly been a closed primary. McCain STILL hasn't won a closed primary, in all his years...
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McCain won, fair and square. Congratulations to the Senator.
Romney isn't going to win the nomination. He's still got a fight or two that he could win, but at this point it's pretty certain voters are going to solidify behind McCain.
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One thing I really like about American campaigning and politics is that, despite what some doomsayers say, the candidates really are chosen by the people. These candidates have all campaigned hard. Romney's money has helped him, but he had to go down to the ground to gain traction. Ditto all the other guys. Kissing babies (Tradition!), picking lice (historical...I believe it was Andrew Jackson), mowing lawns (the Dave Barry joke about Rudy in FL)....it's better than the Russian elections where the winner jets over the people and says to himself "just declare me the winner and get it over with."
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I agree, hector, and I'd add that it's great to see people getting energised and enthused by politics at a grass roots level.
My concerns would more be around it being too media-obsessed. I've been following this thread since the start and the number of posts about actual policy (as opposed to perception/image) is very small indeed. The impression I get from here is that policy matters are only touched on in a very superficial way, almost like a football team's stats (e.g. a candidate might be described in terms like "weak on foreign policy but strong on the economy"). These dimensions then get mapped against supposed electoral constructs (e.g. soccer moms) who respond to particular dimensions. i.e., it's meta-politics, not politics. Or, if you prefer, a 10-month beauty pageant. I'm not having a go at the US specifically, everywhere is getting more and more like that. Just an observation. |
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I would tend to agree.
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I've watched the Democrat debates, and while Hillary and Obama both talked issues, the reason for the split with the Democratic party has more to do with each candidate's character...because Obama and Hil aren't different enough on issues for it to matter.
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Thanks - I could have done without that mental image mate.
Same story here of course. It's ironic that the information age seems to have led to less information. I see Giuliani's out. McCain leading Clinton 48-41, and Obama 47-41. And Romney needs a career high punt return ... no wait, hang on ... ARRG ... * burst * |
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it made me laugh when I wrote it.
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