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Of course atheists (and agnostics) are moral people!
They can't help it. That's the way God made them
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. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç å ™ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva! Last edited by Rían : 12-03-2003 at 06:36 PM. |
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Well I forgot to mention ( but I guess it's pretty obvious) that I'm an atheist. I was born and raised Orthodox but apparently that changed in the way. I was little when I first started having my doubts. It actually took me many years to settle on atheism and I believe it's very hard for an certain individual to realize that he's on his own. I do believe that universe as a whole ( everything that exists ) constitutes a supreme force so in a way I believe in the existence of a supreme force.
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In a more serious tone (altho my last post was serious, too, but with some humor) - I agree with Gwai that I have never seen an explanation for this: "Why is it wrong to wrong others?" that does not either (1) go against logic, or (2) go against observation. Or both
GTG now, I guess I'll pull in some quotes later and show how they fit either (1) or (2), IMHO. Or Gwai could do it for me if he wants to - I think we think the same way on this one.
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. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç å ™ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva! |
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First of all I really don't feel in position to judge what is wrong and what is right. But at least intuitively I think I did answer to that question. And as I said I try not to wrong anyone because I know how it feels to be wronged and I don't others to feel that way. So it is "wrong" to wrong people because if you do you lack the feeling of compassion for your fellow-man.
It's wrong because you do something that you don't want to happen to you. I really don't understand why you think this answer is inadequate. |
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Ruinel
I heard something interesting just the other day, that I'd like to share and expand on. Someone said that they were disturbed by the growing number of Atheists in the world and particularly in the US. They feared that this country (the US) would turn immoral and unethical because there would be no god to guide our conscience. It's very funny that they said this. I actually chuckled. You see, christians can always ask for their god's forgiveness. That forgiveness would be granted, no matter what horrific crime they committed. "Poof" they enter heaven simply by repenting and asking their god to forgive them. [QUOTE] (just omiting some of your quote to shorten my post - and because there's no need to answer that portion) (EDIT: but I still didn't do this quite right because this stuff is still showing up within the "quote block") Quote:
I am also concerned about those who lay claim to a "Christianity" of culture, or heritage, or even of a belief that does not affect the actions... they are not quite getting it for one reason or another. It could be an "easy believism" or "cheap grace" - but they have not made Christ the most important thing in their lives, nor are they living their lives in submission to Him, when they could live lives of crime and do the specific things mentioned by Ruinel. That's not what Jesus came to earth for... and it isn't why He died on the cross. Last edited by Valandil : 12-03-2003 at 08:53 PM. |
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[WHISPER] Valandil, you need to put a "/" symbol in front of the "QUOTE" when you're at the end of the quote to show that the quote is ending. [/WHISPER]
Just replace "WHISPER" with "QUOTE" in the above example, and you'll get the idea.
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. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç å ™ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva! Last edited by Rían : 12-03-2003 at 10:01 PM. |
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But why do you love God? I have been "witnessed to" countless times, and it always ends with someone telling me if I don't love Jesus or love God, then I am going to spend eternity in hell. I usually ask the person if that is why they love God--so they can go to heaven instead of hell--and they often answer in the affirmative. You might be different, as I am quite aware that not all believers are the same, but it seems to me that most people who "love God" do so out of the fear of what might happen if they don't love God.
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As far as fearing hell... I’m definitely scared of hell, and definitely scared of the possibility of going there. Why? Because the truly painful thing about hell is the absence of God’s love... and nothing scares me more than that. --Dave
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Is that Orthodox Christian, Orthodox Jew, or some Orthodox I don't know about? zinnite: This is a very interesting question, which I would love to hear answer(s) to from other Christians. I don't have the time to properly answer, but here's a quick and insufficient answer. I love God, because He, in His awesome and unbelievable splendour, took upon himself the insignificant form of a human being, lived within that insignificant form for thirty-three years, and submitted to horrendous torture, humiliation, and maltreatment by those He came to save. I love God because He gave me to ability to accept His invitation to enter into His divine life. I love God because He is so awesome, so powerful, so infinitely greater than we, and yet he chooses to stoop down and smile upon the lives of mankind. Quite simply: I love God, because He loved me first. "I’m definitely scared of hell, and definitely scared of the possibility of going there. Why? Because the truly painful thing about hell is the absence of God’s love... and nothing scares me more than that." Very well put.
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I just have an interesting question for you Christians (don't know if you've seen it before, or found an answer):
God has unlimited power, right? So he can create whatever he wants, and has unlimited strength. Question: Can he then create a stone that he himself cannot lift? A silly question perhaps, but I had to ask.
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My concern for those who wear the label "Christian" loosely, is that they will find THEY are the ones to whom Jesus says; "Depart from me, I know you not" I DON'T relish the thought of even seeing that. Our salvation is NOT dependent upon our actions - how good we can be, BUT our actions, speaking as a Christian of and to other Christians, should be shaped by our relationship with God. |
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Valandil, what religion would you classify someone who believes in your god, believes the bible is the word of your god, and believes that Jesus was the son of god (and/or god in human form sent to Earth), yet would not be considered "saved by God's grace and trying to live in obedience"?
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