10-18-2003, 05:08 PM | #221 |
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I do not care who stops, as long as somebody does.
I believe I used the Israelis as an example because you ask me if I would just tell them to lay down their arms.
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Arafat is a KNOWN terrorist and he rules the Palestinian government. maybe when he dies - someone who desires peace and can work with israel will come forward. I don't know who is waiting in the wings. But with Arafat's suspected heart attack and his look of fraility last week - I'm wondering if he really has much more time to live. It may take the death of Arafat BY NATURAL means - to bring about peace.
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We'll have to see if Arafat's death will bring peace, though I doubt it.
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Israel laying down it's arms - what a stupid idea.
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10-18-2003, 06:24 PM | #226 |
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What a thought-provoking post.
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Would you do the same? If a group of people had a problem with your country, and they sent terrorists to murder your family, friends and neighbors, would you stand by and do nothing for months or even years while this went on? I would not, I could not!!! I would do whatever it took to end the violence! Even if it meant bull dozing homes to find the cockroaches that scurry into the cracks after they've murdered innocent men, women and children. Because that's what they are: murderers! They are not soldiers, they are not freedom fighters, they are not warriors with a righteous cause. Does the world have a responsibility to step in? To help end this conflict? Why haven't the other muslim nations nearby given land to the Palestinians? Are they not their brethren? Are they not concerned for their plight? It doesn't look like it from where I sit. |
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10-18-2003, 06:30 PM | #228 | |
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There is no Senate - if you want to make a rule, you have to ask from a chosen member in the parlement to suggest it. But the parlement is not the one who makes descisions as attacking the palestinians. The goverment - which has to have more then 61 of the parlement members. I don't exactly know what the prime minister's power is, but he cannot decide to attack the palestinians alone. There is a commission in most of the subjects (money, security, enviorment (sp,), etc.). I don't what you do in a Senate, so I can't tell you what replaces it in here. You can always go to the supreme court - but it's just in cases that the goverment breaks one of the laws. The palestinians can't, actually, vote or tell the court, since they aren't citizens of Israel. This is the site of the kneset. |
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10-18-2003, 06:34 PM | #229 |
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Ruinel,
I respect your opinions, and your right to have them, but I cannot respond to such an emotional post. I do not wish to start a flame war by getting into a debate that is sure to be firey and livid. My opinions have been stated in my previous posts, and if you disagree, that is your right.
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At least my posts aren't devoid of thought like others in here.... Your ideas are very idealistic and would only work in a Utopia. This is the real world. My points have already been stated and discussed in great detail by members such as JD, Runiel, and Rad.
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However, it is not an "emotional post". These "terrorists" are nothing more than murderers. There is nothing glorious in what they do. If you want to address my post, go ahead. Just be more thoughtful in what you say. Don't just crap out a bunch of bull $*!t and expect someone not to say something. You need to take a step back and look at the whole picture. All you are looking at is the deaths of people you don't even know, and for you, that's perfectly acceptable (it seems). It's an extremely callous thing to say. |
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10-18-2003, 06:43 PM | #232 |
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If you are trying to make me angry by your ad hominem attacks, it is not going to work.
I have done nothing to you personally, I have not insulted your position. I was simply rather offended in the way you berated my posts, and treated me like a fool because you happen to disagree with me. Very mature.
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Runiel,
I am truly sorry that I am coming across that way - it is not my intention. I am far from being a callous person. However, to say that I am not looking at the big picture is, I believe, is a complete fallacy. Israel has suffered a great deal in this crisis. I do not even attempt to deny this fact. However, if you are going to look at the complete picture, you have to agree that the Palestinians have suffered also! I am not looking at what is best for Israel alone, but what is best for all humanity. Everyone involved, Israelis and Palestinians alike are human beings. You say that you would not sit back and do nothing as people attacked your country. What would you do? Hit them back, harder, meaner, bloodier? Honestly, what would that do? It would escalate the fight. It could not possibly lead to peace. It would only increase the anger in the other person and cause them to hit you harder the next time. Violence is an upward spiraling circle, and only when someone refuses to hit back will that circle be broken.
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There was a Palestinian woman who was intervierwed - she stated that the check blocks were a vform aof terrorism against palestinians and that that alone was reason enough to continue attacking Israeli citizens. The checkpoints are a DEFENSIVE measure to stop the bombers from getting in.
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Have I attacked you? No, I haven't. Trust me when I say, you'd know it if I had. I simply find your post to be shallow, callus, and without thought. Take some advice, before you post something so ridiculous as to suggest that a country not take legal action against the criminal perpetrators of these murders nor protect their citizens against further brutality just to gain a little "sympathy" from the rest of the world, that you think twice. |
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I think that post was in response to my post, not yours, Runiel.
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That post was not addressed to you, but to Hobbit. I am sorry for the confusion. I have not accused you of attacking me, nor do I think you have. Neither have I ever said that Israel should not take legal action against the Palestinians. Legal action and military action are two completely seperate things. I fear I have myself in over my head here - I did not mean to inadverdently offend you.
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I'm just curious as to what you think the results will be if Israel stops responding? The terrorists have repeatedly STATED that they want the elimination of Israel - nothing less will suffice.
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This thread has most definitely reached an impasse.
I do not think I should respond again until the tempers that have flared have cooled.
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