Tolkien's Languages - Page 11

OrnelÃrÃ« MistÃ« · 05-08-2003, 04:30 PM

If you want to make something imperative, use 'Ã¡'. Not sure if it is long or not, I'll check. Then use infinitive. if you want to tell someone not to do something, use 'Ã¡va'.

Ruinel · 05-08-2003, 05:26 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by OrnelÃ*rÃ« MistÃ«
If you want to make something imperative, use 'Ã¡'. Not sure if it is long or not, I'll check. Then use infinitive. if you want to tell someone not to do something, use 'Ã¡va'.

Le nanquÃ©ta! You is back-speaking! nan- is back. quÃ©ta for 'is speaking'! I was saying that he wasn't being 'upfront' with me on an answer. But I found his answer, so I corrected it...

oops... Ni vÃ©lÃ«a 'answer'-lyaâ€¦ sorry.
oops... I is seeing your answer ... sorry.
vÃ©la is 'to see'... so present tense, must add an '-a' but that would make it vÃ©laa... which doesn't exist. So, we change the ending '-a' to '-Ã«a'. But I could be wrong.

OrnelÃrÃ« MistÃ« · 05-08-2003, 10:22 PM

You misunderstood me.
They are not endings, but words.
Examples: Ã¡va fire! Don't die!
Ã¡ quete! Speak!

I'm sure your endings are fine.

Ruinel · 05-09-2003, 03:21 PM

hmmmm... still not sure what you mean, or if you are speaking to me. So, I'll just say: ok.

I'm at work. So, no time to post a message. I'll leave that to you.

OrnelÃrÃ« MistÃ« · 05-09-2003, 10:40 PM

Ok, talking to Ruinel. If you want to make an imperative statement - a command- you use 'Ã¡' or 'Ã¡va', it depends. Then verb infinitive.
So: Don't die: Ã¡va fire!
Speak: Ã¡ quete!

I don't know why I brought this up, except that a certain post of yours was confusing. I misunderstood, thought I'd tell you this- which you probably know anyway. Go me.

Ruinel · 05-09-2003, 10:48 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by OrnelÃ*rÃ« MistÃ«
Ok, talking to Ruinel. If you want to make an imperative statement - a command- you use 'Ã¡' or 'Ã¡va', it depends. Then verb infinitive.
So: Don't die: Ã¡va fire!
Speak: Ã¡ quete!

I don't know why I brought this up, except that a certain post of yours was confusing. I misunderstood, thought I'd tell you this- which you probably know anyway. Go me.

Ok, I see. Are you working on something? I'm starting to, but I'm thinking I'll wait until tomorrow to finish. It will be long.

OrnelÃrÃ« MistÃ« · 05-09-2003, 11:04 PM

I have lots of stuff I translated previously that I could post...

Ruinel · 05-10-2003, 12:01 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by OrnelÃ*rÃ« MistÃ«
I have lots of stuff I translated previously that I could post...

Go ahead. I'll put mine up tomorrow.

OrnelÃrÃ« MistÃ« · 05-10-2003, 01:19 PM

Here is a poem I translated.

I salque/sara tintille suurinen

yo mauyala lindi ar ela--

antaro caure kemenna

caurÃ« menelenna.

lassi hehtaner/uulingar aldallon

ar lender arta

i asto calpa i asto ve maar

ar i vanda hlapune oa(r)

norolli hortaner mallessen

raumo hortane lenca

Cala-haloitÃ« tanne malina atsa

ar san aica/ruucima racca

filici tulcaner turmar maarintassen (maarinta= their homes)

yaxi nornoroner ataquinnar

tulle mine alta limba misteo

ar san, ve i maar

i haryane siire-ramba- peryanentes (peryantes?)

i menel caita ruucine nennen

nan laa nwalyane opeleo atarnya

er cirisse aldasse.

Here is the actual poem:
The wind began to rock the grass
With threatening tunes and low--
He flung a menace at the earth,
A menace at the sky.
The leaves unhooked themselves from trees
And started all abroad;
The dust did scoop itself like hands
And threw away the road.
The wagons quickened on the streets,
The thunder hurried slow;
The lightning showed a yellow beak,
And then a livid claw.
The birds put up the bars to nests,
The cattle fled to barns;
There came one drop of giant rain,
And then, as if the hands
That held the dams had parted hold,
The waters wrecked the sky
But overlooked my father's house,
Just quartering a tree.

Well, there it is. I did my best.
I don't know if I should put the literal English of the Quenya up... The Quenya is not especially close to the real poem.

Falagar · 05-10-2003, 07:38 PM

I'll try to come up with something tomorrow, though I can't promise anything. Have to see...

OrnelÃrÃ« MistÃ« · 05-10-2003, 10:01 PM

Desperately bored. I'll post something. Something not likely to be translated by anyone, since we know what it means. But why the hell not, you know.
En hÃ¡ranere Mahalmaryasse i aldassen Eryn Vorno. Laiqua maica hendu ve lassi sinte i indo ilyeo i cennere.Carne-naar finderya wiilila hwestanen undu sÃ*lala telpe rie i colane alte marillar Earello ar rilye miiri nomellon/nomellor tumnar undu Arda. Neere i Taari Eryn Vorno ar ilye tulane anta alcar ren.
Wow, I need hobbies.

Ruinel · 05-10-2003, 10:07 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by OrnelÃ*rÃ« MistÃ«
Desperately bored. I'll post something. Something not likely to be translated by anyone, since we know what it means. But why the hell not, you know.
En hÃ¡ranere Mahalmaryasse i aldassen Eryn Vorno. Laiqua maica hendu ve lassi sinte i indo ilyeo i cennere.Carne-naar finderya wiilila hwestanen undu sÃ*lala telpe rie i colane alte marillar Earello ar rilye miiri nomellon/nomellor tumnar undu Arda. Neere i Taari Eryn Vorno ar ilye tulane anta alcar ren.
Wow, I need hobbies.

*recognises it because she's already started to translate it on her own*

OrnelÃrÃ« MistÃ« · 05-12-2003, 02:44 PM

Yasse ilquen lelya?
LÃ¡ vinyar quentelli. Ai.
Haryan maure tece. NÃ³ lÃ¡ istean man quete.

Ruinel · 05-12-2003, 09:18 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by OrnelÃ*rÃ« MistÃ«
Yasse ilquen lelya?
LÃ¡ vinyar quentelli. Ai.
Haryan maure tece. NÃ³ lÃ¡ istean man quete.

"Which everybody go? Not new sentences. Alas. I possess need writes. No not I know what to write."

Lala, melinyes. Ãšhanyalyen. AlassÃ« tultasinyÃ«, le carnas. Velices nÃ¡.

Falagar · 05-14-2003, 11:21 AM

La oantienyÃ«.

Quote:

Lala, melinyes. Ãšhanyalyen. AlassÃ« tultasinyÃ«, le carnas. Velices nÃ¡.

"Laughing, I love it. You don't understand me. Joy I now summon (?), to you it made/built. It great is."

Ruinel · 05-14-2003, 12:01 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Falagar
Ãla oantienyÃ«.

"Laughing, I love it. You don't understand me. Joy I now summon (?), to you it made/built. It great is."

lala as an individual word. Not lala- as a stem. lala is 'no, indeed not.'

So...
Lala, melinyes. Ãšhanyalyen. AlassÃ« tultasinyÃ«, le carnas. Velices nÃ¡.
No, indeed not, I love it. You don't understand me. Joy (AlassÃ«) it (-s) brings (tulta-) me (-inyÃ«), you made it. It is great.

After I went away to another place.

Nan, le pelnÃ«.

OrnelÃrÃ« MistÃ« · 05-15-2003, 07:30 PM

Oh my!! Pelne? 'Ln' is not a valid consonant cluster!! Is it 'pelane'?
Also, 'velices na?' Wouldn't the '-s' go on the 'na'?

'Nan, le pelne.' Trans: But, you went around.
Shouldn't the 'le' as a suffix on the 'pelne'?

Ruinel · 05-16-2003, 12:24 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by OrnelÃ*rÃ« MistÃ«
Oh my!! Pelne? 'Ln' is not a valid consonant cluster!! Is it 'pelane'?
Also, 'velices na?' Wouldn't the '-s' go on the 'na'?

'Nan, le pelne.' Trans: But, you went around.
Shouldn't the 'le' as a suffix on the 'pelne'?

OrnelÃ*rÃ«,

always changing that avatar.

Yes, you are right. I was posting from work, and I didn't have my notes. Shucks.... Well, I'll work on it later. Must.... sleep.... *shuts eyes, face falls on keyboard, drools, shorts out keyboard* zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Falagar · 05-16-2003, 07:20 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Ruinel
lala as an individual word. Not lala- as a stem. lala is 'no, indeed not.'

So...
Lala, melinyes. Ãšhanyalyen. AlassÃ« tultasinyÃ«, le carnas. Velices nÃ¡.
No, indeed not, I love it. You don't understand me. Joy (AlassÃ«) it (-s) brings (tulta-) me (-inyÃ«), you made it. It is great.

After I went away to another place.

Nan, le pelnÃ«.

-nyÃ« is the suffix, not inyÃ«

Le means "for you, to you", it is an objectsform (I think). For subject, the word -lyÃ« should be suffixed (carnelyes)...

Ruinel · 05-16-2003, 03:11 PM

Well, I won't be so stressed out in about a week and a half from now. Lots going on here. I'll be able to post better Quenya then. Until then, I hope you will not be too anoyed with my mistakes.

05-08-2003, 04:30 PM	#201
OrnelÃrÃ« MistÃ« Elven Warrior Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 482	If you want to make something imperative, use 'Ã¡'. Not sure if it is long or not, I'll check. Then use infinitive. if you want to tell someone not to do something, use 'Ã¡va'. __________________ "Lot of people say this city looks like Hell," Allie said. She took a long drag from her cigarette. The glowing tip burned a hole in the darkness. "Most people never been to Hell," Jacob said. She looked at him and he could hear the smile in her voice. "And I suppose you have?"

05-08-2003, 10:22 PM	#203
OrnelÃrÃ« MistÃ« Elven Warrior Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 482	You misunderstood me. They are not endings, but words. Examples: Ã¡va fire! Don't die! Ã¡ quete! Speak! I'm sure your endings are fine. __________________ "Lot of people say this city looks like Hell," Allie said. She took a long drag from her cigarette. The glowing tip burned a hole in the darkness. "Most people never been to Hell," Jacob said. She looked at him and he could hear the smile in her voice. "And I suppose you have?"

05-09-2003, 10:40 PM	#205
OrnelÃrÃ« MistÃ« Elven Warrior Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 482	Ok, talking to Ruinel. If you want to make an imperative statement - a command- you use 'Ã¡' or 'Ã¡va', it depends. Then verb infinitive. So: Don't die: Ã¡va fire! Speak: Ã¡ quete! I don't know why I brought this up, except that a certain post of yours was confusing. I misunderstood, thought I'd tell you this- which you probably know anyway. Go me. __________________ "Lot of people say this city looks like Hell," Allie said. She took a long drag from her cigarette. The glowing tip burned a hole in the darkness. "Most people never been to Hell," Jacob said. She looked at him and he could hear the smile in her voice. "And I suppose you have?"

05-09-2003, 11:04 PM	#207
OrnelÃrÃ« MistÃ« Elven Warrior Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 482	I have lots of stuff I translated previously that I could post... __________________ "Lot of people say this city looks like Hell," Allie said. She took a long drag from her cigarette. The glowing tip burned a hole in the darkness. "Most people never been to Hell," Jacob said. She looked at him and he could hear the smile in her voice. "And I suppose you have?"

05-10-2003, 01:19 PM	#209
OrnelÃrÃ« MistÃ« Elven Warrior Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 482	Here is a poem I translated. I salque/sara tintille suurinen yo mauyala lindi ar ela-- antaro caure kemenna caurÃ« menelenna. lassi hehtaner/uulingar aldallon ar lender arta i asto calpa i asto ve maar ar i vanda hlapune oa(r) norolli hortaner mallessen raumo hortane lenca Cala-haloitÃ« tanne malina atsa ar san aica/ruucima racca filici tulcaner turmar maarintassen (maarinta= their homes) yaxi nornoroner ataquinnar tulle mine alta limba misteo ar san, ve i maar i haryane siire-ramba- peryanentes (peryantes?) i menel caita ruucine nennen nan laa nwalyane opeleo atarnya er cirisse aldasse. Here is the actual poem: The wind began to rock the grass With threatening tunes and low-- He flung a menace at the earth, A menace at the sky. The leaves unhooked themselves from trees And started all abroad; The dust did scoop itself like hands And threw away the road. The wagons quickened on the streets, The thunder hurried slow; The lightning showed a yellow beak, And then a livid claw. The birds put up the bars to nests, The cattle fled to barns; There came one drop of giant rain, And then, as if the hands That held the dams had parted hold, The waters wrecked the sky But overlooked my father's house, Just quartering a tree. Well, there it is. I did my best. I don't know if I should put the literal English of the Quenya up... The Quenya is not especially close to the real poem. __________________ "Lot of people say this city looks like Hell," Allie said. She took a long drag from her cigarette. The glowing tip burned a hole in the darkness. "Most people never been to Hell," Jacob said. She looked at him and he could hear the smile in her voice. "And I suppose you have?" Last edited by OrnelÃrÃ« MistÃ« : 05-10-2003 at 01:23 PM.

05-09-2003, 03:21 PM	#204
Ruinel Banned Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: I have no idea. Posts: 5,441	hmmmm... still not sure what you mean, or if you are speaking to me. So, I'll just say: ok. I'm at work. So, no time to post a message. I'll leave that to you.

05-10-2003, 07:38 PM	#210
Falagar Death of Mooters and [Entmoot] Internal Affairs Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Oslo, Norway Posts: 2,870	I'll try to come up with something tomorrow, though I can't promise anything. Have to see... __________________ FÃ«anor - Innocence incarnated Still, AikanÃ¡ro 'till the Last battle.

05-10-2003, 10:01 PM	#211
OrnelÃrÃ« MistÃ« Elven Warrior Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 482	Desperately bored. I'll post something. Something not likely to be translated by anyone, since we know what it means. But why the hell not, you know. En hÃ¡ranere Mahalmaryasse i aldassen Eryn Vorno. Laiqua maica hendu ve lassi sinte i indo ilyeo i cennere.Carne-naar finderya wiilila hwestanen undu sÃ*lala telpe rie i colane alte marillar Earello ar rilye miiri nomellon/nomellor tumnar undu Arda. Neere i Taari Eryn Vorno ar ilye tulane anta alcar ren. Wow, I need hobbies. __________________ "Lot of people say this city looks like Hell," Allie said. She took a long drag from her cigarette. The glowing tip burned a hole in the darkness. "Most people never been to Hell," Jacob said. She looked at him and he could hear the smile in her voice. "And I suppose you have?"

05-12-2003, 02:44 PM	#213
OrnelÃrÃ« MistÃ« Elven Warrior Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 482	Yasse ilquen lelya? LÃ¡ vinyar quentelli. Ai. Haryan maure tece. NÃ³ lÃ¡ istean man quete. __________________ "Lot of people say this city looks like Hell," Allie said. She took a long drag from her cigarette. The glowing tip burned a hole in the darkness. "Most people never been to Hell," Jacob said. She looked at him and he could hear the smile in her voice. "And I suppose you have?"

05-15-2003, 07:30 PM	#217
OrnelÃrÃ« MistÃ« Elven Warrior Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 482	Oh my!! Pelne? 'Ln' is not a valid consonant cluster!! Is it 'pelane'? Also, 'velices na?' Wouldn't the '-s' go on the 'na'? 'Nan, le pelne.' Trans: But, you went around. Shouldn't the 'le' as a suffix on the 'pelne'? __________________ "Lot of people say this city looks like Hell," Allie said. She took a long drag from her cigarette. The glowing tip burned a hole in the darkness. "Most people never been to Hell," Jacob said. She looked at him and he could hear the smile in her voice. "And I suppose you have?" Last edited by OrnelÃrÃ« MistÃ« : 05-15-2003 at 07:37 PM.

05-16-2003, 03:11 PM	#220
Ruinel Banned Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: I have no idea. Posts: 5,441	Well, I won't be so stressed out in about a week and a half from now. Lots going on here. I'll be able to post better Quenya then. Until then, I hope you will not be too anoyed with my mistakes.

Similar Threads
Thread	Thread Starter	Forum	Replies	Last Post
LOTR Discussion: Appendices E and F	Forkbeard	LOTR Discussion Project	11	09-15-2008 06:16 PM
Do you actually care about Tolkien's languages?	Peter_20	Middle Earth	6	08-25-2007 09:30 AM
Tolkien's Languages	Forkbeard	Middle Earth	3	10-14-2004 01:08 PM
Capturing Tolkien's Vision vs. A Literal Interpretation	Black Breathalizer	Lord of the Rings Movies	924	11-03-2003 09:53 PM
The Languages of Tolkien's Middle-Earth	bmilder	Middle Earth	15	04-30-2003 08:32 PM