The decline of entmoot

[Sween]

ill try and stop spamming. i dont as much as some people. Even i get a bit tired of sexual inuendo occasionally hope you all still read my posts

[Ruinel]

I hope this board doesn't get too serious. But I agree that some of the spamming puts me off as well. And yes, I'm guilty of contributing to it, as well. I'm not the worst, but I'm not the least either. A little is fine, and the jokes are fun. But everyday, the same stuff back and forth over and over. It gets monotonous.

Artanis: I actually suggested some time back that the Moot allow a thread for people to talk about whatever... hence spam. But the idea was not accepted.

[support_your_local_elf]

I agree. A spamming thread might take care of the problem. Then we could :a) spam all we want (In the spamming thread... if we had one) b) it would prob clean up the boards cuz people would spam there instead of on the mesage boards that aren't for spamming. And that'd be.... uh.... *runs out of adjectives* good.

[miss_poet]

Are we allowed to make a Spam Thread? I will if we are allowed. I don't want to get into more trouble with SGH. She already hates me enough and I am already in enough trouble as it is.

[Sween]

A spamming thread will not work! the main reasopn for this is because where spamming is occuring it is more due to the nature of the threads things like previous poster are just spam inducing and serve no real purpose. Plus threads that set up any kind of poster to poser realtions like the most wanted (no one seem to rember the point of that at all) are gonna start spamming. Ill admit i have started some self indulgent threads b4 (gonna be a daddy 4 example)!

threads should not be about mooters they shouyld be about mooters opinions on the subject in question

[Sister Golden Hair]

threads should not be about mooters they shouyld be about mooters opinions on the subject in question

That's a good point Sween, and I agree. Afterall, it is called General Messages, not Mooter Messages.

[Sister Golden Hair]

Originally posted by miss_poet
Are we allowed to make a Spam Thread? I will if we are allowed. I don't want to get into more trouble with SGH. She already hates me enough and I am already in enough trouble as it is.

No, you are not allowed to start a "spam" thread, and FYI, my dear miss_poet, there isn't one person on Entmoot that I hate, including you. I thought we had settled our differences.

Let me just address this to all members. When we all joined Entmoot, we knew that spam was a violation of posting policies, the same as flaming, trolling, and so on. Although a certian small amount of spam and an occassional flame may enter into a discussion, which is uaually normal for most message boards, especially one of this size, it is not normal, or acceptable for spam and flaming to run rampant in defiance of posting policy or admin/mod authority. The rules are clear, and to allow a "spam" thread that would invite flaming and mindless discussion would be like Ben and the staff defying its own law, and saying "its against the rules, but go ahead and do it."

The only way that spam and flaming is going to disappear from this board and particularly from this forum is for the members that are doing it, to stop doing it, or otherwise face some type of adminatrative action eventually.

This has grown into a large community for a reason. It is a fun and friendly board. We all need to take steps to keep it that way.

End of lecture.

[Tessar]

Originally posted by Sister Golden Hair
FYI, my dear miss_poet, there isn't one person on Entmoot that I hate,

Yuhu . You hate ME! Or at least I annoy you a good deal

Teasing, of course.

[sun-star]

Without falling prey to rose-coloured nostalgia ("things ain't what they were, y'know" ) I know I for one certainly don't enjoy the moot as much as I used to. For me, the most annoying thing is what Sween noticed:

threads should not be about mooters they shouyld be about mooters opinions on the subject in question

We don't talk about subjects any more, we seem to talk about each other. Maybe we all know each other too well, and have said all there is to be said about other things, but this situation won't change while threads deteriorate into gossip. I don't know if you know how off-putting this is for newbies. It's great being friends with all of you, but we won't make any nice new friends if we don't let them join in a little bit

Right, I'm off to open a serious new thread somewhere. Just have to decide what about

[Insidious Rex]

gotta agree with sun-star on that one. i miss the meaty heavy duty discussions that would occasionaly bubble up on here. the religious threads were always interesting. the old science vs. religion theme always seemed to work real well and you had real quality discusion (argument?) going on which is exactly what you want. the gay thread was a good one too for a while. and the good/evil thread. youre absolutely right its gotten kinda like a bizarre high school class (of various aged tolkien enthusiasts from all over the world) in that so many people know each other so well and the threads can EASILY break down into a massive inside joke essentialy. thats ok really but it WOULD put me off if i had just come here. i would probably think oh well this is a closed society they are all snobs here they arent looking for outsiders im outa here. and thats a shame. and good for you for puting you money where your mouth is on this and actually creating a new "meaningful" thread (if thats what you are doing) cause im getting sick of people who gripe and whine about the moot but dont bother doing anything. put up or shut up i say. we should all live by that.

[Lady of Rohan]

Ok. I will try and be good (and not spam as much as I do..... though I'm not sure how much I do spam, but I know I do, and I am sorry). No, I will not try and be good, I will be good. And, I have tried to come up with new Tolkien threads (Frodo and Sam), and I do engoy reading these interesting discussions on Tolkien/LotR but the treads usually have been discussed or finished with, or taken off topic, and there is no room for oppions. And i know I haven't helped by making the "Entmoot wouldn't be the same if...." thread, but it was originally made to make people feel good, and to tell others how much you appreciate them, or thank them for what they have done. But, if oyu feel it is making entmoot decline, then you can close the thread I made.

[Rían]

Originally posted by Insidious Rex
.... the religious threads were always interesting. the old science vs. religion theme always seemed to work real well and you had real quality discusion (argument?) going on which is exactly what you want....

And you never responded to my last response to your response to my post, so I guess ...... I WON!!

[Insidious Rex]

Originally posted by RÃ*an
And you never responded to my last response to your response to my post, so I guess ...... I WON!!

hey! and which thread was this in? Im game.

[Gwaimir Windgem]

LoR, that's actually the only spam thread I like.

[Rían]

It was in the good/evil thread (forget exact title) - I think I took about a week to answer your response to my post (terribly busy week with the kidlings), so no wonder you didn't notice it!

It might be worth digging up, I don't know - it was an interesting thread.

[Coney]

lol........the decline thread is turning into a chit-chat thread

I was wondering if a wandering admin could give us a "proper" definition of spam.......cos it's pretty ambiguos in the Entmoot Rules

Trolling (posting with the sole intent of causing trouble or insulting), spamming/flooding (posting the same messages over and over again or in multiple forums) and flaming (insulting) are not permitted. Advertising other sites is not allowed either, except for in one designated thread. If it pertains to the discussion, you can post a link; we just don't want you to start a thread merely to advertise your site, since this clutters up the board, and we're not paying for Entmoot to provide free exposure for your site.

I know wot it is, but I can see that newbies might be confused

[Aralyn]

Entmoot decline? It's not declining. We're all here
*not a spam its the truth*

[Linaewen]

Initially, I thought this might be a good idea. However, I think you need some sort of topic for people to fall back on. If you had a spamming thread, and some people took over it, other people couldn't very well join in the convo easily, or suddenly alter the flow of conversation. If you had a subject for them to post about, they could just begin by discussing that.

Also, how boring for the mods to wade thru all of that conversation. Or any other user who doesn't know the people who are discussing something.

[Jonathan]

I don't like the idea of having a spamming thread. Lots of newbies would post their first 500 posts there, just to get their custom title. They wouldn't post outside the thread until they had a satisfying number of posts.

Also, I try to refrain from spamming. I don't post ten messages in a row in the Anything thread for example.
I've decided to re-read all my Tolkien books this summer, so that I can sort of move from the General Messages forum to the more Tolkien based fora and post the majority of my posts there.

EDIT: Actually, with my Mud Wrestling thread, I was hoping to reduce the number of spammers. The contestants who spam too much reduce their chances of winning.

[Lalaith]

As I read this thread and thought the were talking about me (I know the were) I really felt guilty for spamming so much. I think I'll stop that now.
Although I have to disagree with Jonathan about the Anything post. I don't think that it is spamming in there, but it is interesting to ask other people questions and see what they reply and to answer questions.
And I can understand the problems of the others when they say that they don't like spammers. I don't like it neither. When I come to a thread again, but I don't find the original meaning in it again because of too much off-topic talk, I use to loose interest.
I really don't know how I became that horrible spammer. I'm trying to become better. Can you excuse me?