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I meant that the fact that humans don't eat their young is proof of the existence of God.
I am aware of my existence AND am able to understand what my existence means to others; therefore, God exists. Thoughts? About the Missing Link, I mean. By the way, it doesn't matter if I say I think He exists or He does exist. Since it's all relative and I'm saying it, one automatically knows that He exists to me and by my believing He exists it would make no sense for me to personalize my statement. If I believe He exists, I believe He exists for everybody whether they believe He exists or not. Right? |
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And as a general rule this is true, BUT there are SOME cultures which have been known to eat their young, and again: not an absolute. Some humans do eat their young. Quote:
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Serisoly i wouldnt mind going to hell i mean the suffering in the world god one sick puppy. If there is a god and he lets stuff like that go on he deserves to go to hell. but there is no god so its allright i suppose. Religions a joke
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And not everything boils down to natural selection: there are other selective measures. What I have to say is this: there is no one particular development that occured to make us what we are today, it was a series of developments - some convergent, some divergent. Some worked, some didn't. But anyway, this is not really adhering to the topic at hand, which is dealing with absolutes vs relativism. And I would just like to mention this: everything about biological evolution is about adapting to the best possible fit. Thus it can be said that selection is dependent on a variety of factors, and is therefore, relative, not absolute.
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As for the existance of god, a theory I've always liked, though don't really believe in, at least not now, (I used to...now I'm just completely atheist) is that god, or gods, only exist as long as people believe in them. When nobody believes in them, they 'die.'
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Yes, I would agree with that.
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*insert maniacal laughter*
You will all writhe in the burning flatulance of the elder one's servants once I release the star from the firmament. Then will woe stalk the land and you will curse the day that your mother bore you, for the old ones will not let you die, though you may beg for release. I would happily stuff the entire planet right into a singularity. Relativist meets relativity. Oh. By the way. My "other" personality has unfortunately regained control. Sorry about that, but what can you do? Anyway, enjoy what time you have left.
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Oh no...
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The Soviet Union was an ATHEISTIC country. In other words it was a country that did not believe in any form of god whether it was Jehovah or Themselves. So where did the suffering in the Soviet Union come from? For those of you who want to mail me or whatnot the mail box and pm box are open for that. Thank you, Sotshire managment
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the suffering in russia has to do with econimic depression after the fall of comunism. It has nothing to with religion granted so my statement all suffering a bit harsh. But most if not all wars which are the main cause of death and pain (bar desiease) are normally religion based.
I just think that faiths sepearte people on such a level more than race of skin colour ever could.
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But Sween cummunisim is BASED on atheism. Lookit Marx, Wasn't HE an atheist? And he was the INVENTOR of communisim. Sween it was relegion that gave us something to mellow out the effects of war made by warring relegions. That would be Hospitals and doctors. Hospitals and surgeons are recorded in England and other places such as the Middle East and Asia as far back as Medival times (further actually because the first heart transplant took place in Greece).
England was at that time in history a CATHOLIC country and these hospitals were run by catholic nuns. The Middle East was(and still is)a country run by Islamic rule and they had some of the best doctors in history who actually KNEW what they were doing when it came to medicene. And Asia was(and still is) Buddist and they had some AWSOME natural remedies such as tea and the like. Of course all of those countries relied on superstition as much as anything, but even then superstition is only a belief of something more powerful then a mortal human being. And all of these relegions Buddism,Islam, and Christianity are at war with each other. Yet because of relegions we now have English hospitals, Middle Eastern doctors, and Asian remedies, which combine to make healing EASIER and less painful then in past ages. So yes relegions cause alot of wars(in fact we're in one now)but without them being cured from whatever ailments would be deadlier then catching the ailment. See what I'm getting at? If not I'll post somemore LATER, Cheers and may it STAY that way, Sam
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Sam, I can't speak for Sween, but I don't think anyone said religion is all bad. It's been the cause of a lot of good in the past, as well as much that has not been so good. And I'm speaking about religion in general.
Also, atheism is a religion of sorts...
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Yes, some atheists have done evil things. Just like some religious people have done evil things.
I think as long as there's humans with the capacity of deep thought (not intelligent thought - because really, how are humans intelligent?) there will never be a peaceful, perfect, better world. Religious people and atheists alike have contributed to pain and suffering. But each side has exceptions - people who even with their beliefs, don't inflict pain upon others because of them. A true atheist thinks this: just because there isn't a God, and we don't have to do "good" - it doesn't mean we have to do "evil" in return. We don't think: "Oh, there's no God! Let's wreck havoc on the world!" But, anyways, why not? |
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Yeah, what is this obsession with doing good anyway? Evil is so much more fun...but of course, judgement of what is evil is all relative
On a serious note. . . I just find it sick when people use religion, or god, as an excuse or reason to do wrong. Which is part of my reason for some sort of partial absolutism.
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Here's an interesting discovery...
Lucifer is not the true name of Satan. People have accidently refered him to that name due to a misreading of Isaiah 14:12. Quote:
And here's an even better article on the subject of Satan. Very enlightening. Here's an excerpt: Quote:
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