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Well, to each his own. Cooking is very personal.
It was in theology, but no worries on the time. I think the whole idea of housewives and househusbands is completely applicable in today's society, though much less common since households usually need two incomes to function. Personally I find househusband is a wierd word, even though the idea of it isn't strange at all to me. Hopefully future generations won't find that word to be odd. The whole 50s housewife though, only applies to the 50s. EDIT: Do people really want to eat as soon as they get home from work? Personally I like later dinners. It does make sense that whoever wasn't at work all day (or who worked less hours, or whose turn it is) cooks though.
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I replied a second ago and it didn't work *sniff* but anyway, I'm glad everyone's here! I love you all! *hugs*
An apron is something I shoud wear, but I don't. It's just too dorky, I guess. But yet I wear lab coats in science classes... (but those goggles...) Man I want to cook now! (that, or take chemistry) What else did I say? Oh yeah...out of anything but love... If my husband was a man who I felt I had to cook for out of fear, next time he complained man, kapow! To the moon! I'm not putting up with anything less than I deserve and I'm sad so many women do. |
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I'm with you Katya! I think one of the worst culprits of ongoing women's issues in developped countries is women endoctrinating their daughters with stupid ideas. (See Wasting Away by Marya Hornbacher for this and many serious issues.)
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Nurvi, I like to eat all the time! I always eat right after I get home from school (except today, and I'm starving!). But, not all people are the same. If *** wants dinner at midnight, then I'd probably cook it for midnight. I loooove staying up late. But not if I had to get up early. See? I'm not a slave- if I want to go to bed at 8 I can just say "make your own damn dinner or else heat it up, you punk!" Aw, I love eating Fritos late at night.... reminds me of my dad...
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Okay, this sounds sexist: "your husband will probably be tired from a long day at work, so you should have a nice hot meal ready for him." But it's so disconnected from anything applicable to today's society IMO! However, I also think it's hilarious. I get a good chuckle out of statements like these.
It reminds me of this hilarious quote in my cookbook... "Every woman wants to make that perfect 'melt-in-your-mouth' pastry that the family can brag about." I chuckle every single time I read that. It's awesome. Like a mullet. Or a velvet painting. I see nothing wrong with cooking a lot or doing the cleaning, but I just think there's no excuse for the husband not to help as the family's schedule allows. My mom did most of the cooking, but my dad cooked fairly often, usually on the weekends. I really want some of my parent's cooking now. They are, in every way, a team. Like, my mom is the expert at making salads and barbequeing, and my dad is the expert at cooking East Indian food and bread (back in the day - he hasn't made bread in ages. But he's still the expert). I'm suddenly a bit homesick. Okay, that's it, time for bed.
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One thing that bothers me with today's commercials is now it's okay to make husbands look like complete morons who can't do anything. There is the Grand Turismo 4/Toys R Us commercial and the mother comes home with the game and yells upstairs that she got the game for them. Two kids then come running around the corner and start down the stairs - then the father comes around the corner and jumps over the banister and smashes the table and runs to the package the mother is holding. He grabs it out of her hand like a little kid. There are many commercials like that today where the father is looked at as an idiot - while the mother is the mature parent.
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There's another thing I was thinking about that I didn't mention. About wanting to become "that kind of person". It has meant a lot of things to me. But it was never just about housework. It was also about sharing things, like astronomy and Labyrinth, and about the National Guard, and the Jeep, understanding about playing Lightning and walking away by yourself.... and about the parents, the sisters, and Indy too. It's ok if no one understands. When I say good wife I'm talking about these things too. I guess if anyone's actually interested I can explain how all these elements combined, but I kinda doubt that. You know, I'm not able to go on the internet between 7 and 11 on weeknights, for more than usually 15 minutes. Unfortunately, my time ran out just before I was able to post, and so I've had to wait until now. Has anyone noticed that I can be ridiculously optimistic sometimes? Well, at night I tend to be more melancholy. Then I start talking about something, and later when I'm in a happy mood I think "What the hell was I talking about?" So, sorry if I'm doing that now. What I want to say was, on the internet, it's really hard to understand people. I'm a lot different person when I'm discussing something, even in real life. And I haven't taken much time trying to understand you all either. So it's hard to talk about very personal (personal as in specific to the individual) things. Also, I can't help doing it- I respect most of you guys a lot. Because of that, part of me wants someone to return that respect. I hope that in feeling that I haven't comprimised myself, and that my true feelings have remained intact. In the end, I want to change my imperfect notions, but something inside of me feels the need to defend myself, and then I have a hard time because I end up saying something I don't mean just because it sounds best. I've been doing that for as long as I can remember. I'm good at justifying things philosophically, like why I should have that second piece of cake, or why my mom should allow me to stay home from school. I'm sorry. I'm sorry for talking to much about myself and being a little too honest, haha! It's just because the thing we were talking about kind of was using me as an example and so I wanted to clarify things as much as possible. I start talking just because I like to talk and then things I say get taken seriously.^^; Oh yeah, thanks everyone for helping me to understand myself better. |
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1. The man, as you pointed out, it no more mature than his children. It sends the message that men are stupid, and reinforces the whole "men are pigs" rot. 2. It says that it's the woman's role to not only be a successful career woman but also to run the entire household by herself. This is actually a disturbing and observeable attitude today. I think this is very important for a marriage too. I think it would put a huge strain on the marriage if the woman is going absolutely insane juggling family and career with no help from her husband. He'd have a career too, but still, the woman should not be the only one taking care of the home. I think there's sexism in our society less towards women than towards femininity. Observe: - there is still, ridiculously, a taboo against male nurses and other traditionally female jobs (it's certainly lessening, but much less than women taking traditionally male jobs) - it's an insult to call a bunch of guys "ladies". You wouldn't tease your girl friends by calling them "men" but you would by calling someone a "girly girl" - how many househusbands do you know? Is that even a word? I'm sure there are more. But I think this anti-femininity attitude is contibuting to the husband (in couples with this attitude anyway) not wanting to contibute to the home management. It's not like people aren't feminine, it's that people who are are regarded as silly or not as good on some level. I'm not going to belabour the teamwork thing Katya because I think you do know what we were talking about. I can see wanting to wash the dishes alone if you worked in a restaurant - you can probably do it faster and more easily alone than with "help".
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On Marriage... been married twice... I'm against it.
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He had to go and fetch mum (mum can't drive) in the evening so they both got home tired at the same time! Dad did the shopping and mum still did the cooking (dad can't cook) and we, my sister and I, were left with the dishes! But when my mother does the dishes and dad sees it, he usually grabs a towel and starts helping her without having to be asked. And they both do the laundry when able (except that my dad doesn't know how to iron). Being brought up in such a situation, I doubt I would espect anything less from my (hypothetical) husband.
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Of interest: a review of the various modes of viewing what "marriage" is. Of course, this may lead to further discussions !
http://www.boundless.org/2005/articles/a0001086.cfm
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Marriage is ridiculous. It is an institution regulated by both the church AND the state to ensure better control over the masses. Any private contract between two loving people should be their business only, to share with just each other, or include their friends & family or whatever, but NOT sanctioned and O.K.ed and regulated and rewarded by the church, or by the government, or even by the two people's parents.
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Lotesse - I profoundly, but respectfully, disagree.
Marriage has served as the basic building-block for all human societies. The cynical view is in vogue today, but I dread the thought of where we'd be without it - and also the observation that it may become rendered irrelevant or go by the wayside, in society at large.
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i agree wholeheartedly with lotesse,
IMO marriage is just between two people, and all this religious/state sanctioning is a bit ridiculous, ok sure 500 years ao, when religion meant more to more people, then we are talking a whole different kettle of fish, but now in this post-modernist world, then we have to wonder, is it really worth it? would anyone really think any less of their husband/wife if they had their own surname etc? somehow i dont think so |
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