10-12-2002, 10:32 AM | #201 |
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You know, there are also blithering idiots out there who think that "The Greatest Story Ever told" is the definitive version of the life of Christ.
Mass acceptance by a horde of mouth-breathing knuckle-dragging low brow neo-neanderthals does not a "definitive" version make. Good use of the Middle Earth Encyclopedia there, kid.
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What the HECK is wrong with your brain.....? ive tried to be civilsied, but i can't TAKE IT ANYMORE. you, my dear dear dearest ass, are a blithering idiot and im sorry to have ever thought you were smart in any possible way. you are like s***to me. stop talking. no one cares anymore. . there, now that ove stepped out of your shoes, im getting back into mine. and im walking away.
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10-14-2002, 01:07 PM | #206 | |
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I found an online article interviewing Phillippa Boyens, Fran Walsh, and Peter Jackson on writing the screenplays for the LOTR movie that I thought was interesting. It included the following:
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Interesting statements in there about Frodo, about not wanting to leave his freinds, even while being pursued by the nine. Yes it might have been selfish, but I don't doubt he would have done it, If he had known about the attack. For that matter there would have been the added impetus of the ring itself, wanting to go back. Wanting to be used. How come Jackson's ring, if it's so corrupting and powerful, doesn't use this situation to reveal itself? \
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BB, all those are just examples of how Jackson had to strive to portray what Tolkien wrote.
He might have done a passable job in some areas, but that doesn't equal improvement. If I shave down a statue to squeeze it through a keyhole, I don't see how I've improved it, other than perhaps for passing through keyholes.
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10-16-2002, 10:40 AM | #210 |
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The early internet buzz from the Extended Version pre-screenings is that it is far superior to the theatrical version and brings out more things from the book. I'm hearing it is THE version for Tolkien fans. Warning: Some of you who didn't like the original release may be reconsidering your harsh opinions after seeing the extended DVD.
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the only thing PJ has improved about tolkien is his appeal
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10-16-2002, 01:00 PM | #213 |
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For the sake of people who haven't bothered to read the first few pages of this thread, let me state for the record:
1. I never said the movie was perfect. 2. I believe PJ tightened the storyline (which he HAD to do for a 3-hour theatrical release.) In doing so, he succeeded in improving the story in a few select ways which I've attempted to outline here. 3. There are posters to this thread who did NOT like the movie. They felt the movie was boring and filled with (to paraphrase them) unimaginative, run-of-the-mill fantasy devices. I have found it fascinating that some of these people profess to be a huge Tolkien fans and yet see absolutely nothing of value in PJ's first LOTR movie. My last post was addressed to these rare birds. 4. This thread is NOT a movie versus book debate. Ultimately, the two different forms of the story enhance one's appreciation of the other. The pluses of both enrich a person's overall enjoyment of the story. 5. "Purist" is not a dirty word. It just seems that way thanks to the nasty, 'I'm better than you" tone of some of the Tolkienites here who illustrate that mindset. |
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I've been reading this thread for quite some time, and refrained from commenting for several reasons, but I must say this.
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You think that PJ improved Tolkien. Others do not. Both sides are arguing to deaf ears, in my opinion.
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I post that IMHO Peter Jackson's version of the breaking of the fellowship was better than the book. And for THAT I've been ruthlessly attacked and savagely ridiculed on this thread. Yet I'm supposed to be the bad guy??!?!?! Some of you need to improve your reading comprehension skills. I'm the poor, beaten up, victim here. |
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In the posts preceding your comment, no one 'attacked' you, as you seem to think, nor implied that they can't 'share their ivory towers'. They were simply stating their opinions on why they didn't agree with you. When someone doesn't agree with your points you immediately take offense. You also didn't just state that PJ improved the breaking of the fellowship, but the works of Tolkien themselves. If you post an opinion on the internet (especially one that could be considered 'controversial', or overall unpopular) you should expect others to disagree with you, and take it in stride. My reading comprehension's fine, thanks. Those stupid standardized tests I'm required to take reassure me of this year after year.
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i'll share my ivory tower with you BB, im not saying that i won't push you off though
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and since i am holier than thou, i also suggest you listen up to this, you are not the victim, you are a waste. i still had a few shreds of respect for you until you made your self out to be the porr little wonded bird, and your not making me like the movie at all by your childlike behaviour. i don't really know what im talking about anymore. i started out saying something intelligent and then i got started on BB. i apologise. Quote:
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anyways this is getting pointless, and as soon as i thnk that this thread will die there you are with your outlandish and totally retarded veiw on something. sorry if im ticking everyone off (except BB) it's not been the best week and well, im a bit perturbed at the moment.
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The Scene: Isengard where Saruman is talking to a giant female orc-like creature.
Saruman: Do you know where The Purists came from? They were happy Tolkien fans once. And then their love for the book became MUTILATED and TWISTED by their strict fundamentalist views of Tolkien's story. And now PERFECTED in my fighting Uppity-Kommentators!!! <dramatic pause> Saruman: Who do you serve? Luthien Tinuviel: (growling) TOLKIEN!!!! Saruman: A cute, little hobbit freedom fighter named Blackie Breathalizer has a opinion of Peter Jackson's movie that is threatening to us. Bring that little brat to me!!! Kill the others! We see Luthien Tinuviel, Cirdan, Blackheart and the other Purists race off on their nasty mission. Will our beloved BB survive this evil onslaught??? Stay Tuned. |
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Is this the only way that you know how to defend yourself? Hiding behind absurd parodies? You poor misbegotten fool.
Lets see some actual semblance of an argument BB. You've insulted people long enough now, and if you wonder why nobody takes you seriously, then let me point out that the insults, sarcasm, and childish skits came from your camp first. It is only so long that you can piss in the wind before it comes back at you.
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