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03-26-2002, 10:41 PM | #202 |
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Sorry 'bout that.
I don't really believe there is really a purpose of life, yet I believe in the existance of God. The purpose of life is to live it, and enjoy what God has given us.
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03-26-2002, 10:52 PM | #203 |
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Sorry 'bout that.
I don't really believe there is really a purpose of life, yet I believe in the existance of God. The purpose of life is to live it, and enjoy what God has given us.
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03-26-2002, 11:10 PM | #204 |
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1:1-2:3 The first of two contradictory creation accounts. Compare with Gen.2:4-25 in which the order of events is entirely different.
The Genesis 1 account also conflicts with the order of events that are known to science. In this account the earth is created before light and stars, birds and whales before reptiles and insects, and flowering plants before any animals. From science, we know the true order of events was just the opposite. 1:3-5 God creates light and separates light from darkness, and day from night, on the first day. Yet he didn't make the light producing objects (the sun and the stars) until the fourth day (1:14-19). The JW book "Let God Be True" (1946) says that each of the seven days of creation was 7,000 years long. And that since Adam was "created toward the close of the sixth day, he was put on earth toward the end of 42,000 years of earth's preparation." (p. 155) And since "[a]ccording to reliable Bible chronology Adam was created in the year 4026 B.C.E., likely in the autumn of the year, at the end of the sixth day of creation" (April 1, 1968, Watchtower), we know that the universe must have been created 48,028 years ago. 1:6-8 God spends one-sixth of his entire creative effort (the second day) working on a solid firmament. This strange structure, which God calls heaven, is intended to separate the higher waters from the lower waters. This firmament, if it existed, would have been quite an obstacle to our space program. 1:11 In chapter 1 plants are created on the third day before humans are created on the sixth day. But in chapter 2 the order is reversed. (2:4-7) Plants are made on the third day before there was a sun to drive their photosynthetic processes (1:14-19). 1:16 God makes two lights: "the greater light [the sun] to rule the day, and the lesser light [the moon] to rule the night." But if God made the moon to "rule the night", then why does it spend half of its time moving through the daytime sky? "He made the stars also." God spends a day making light (before making the stars) and separating light from darkness; then, at the end of a hard day's work, and almost as an afterthought, he makes the trillions of stars. 1:17 "And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth." Really? Then why are only a tiny fraction of stars visible from earth? Under the best conditions, no more than five thousand stars are visible from earth with the unaided eye, yet there are hundreds of billions of stars in our galaxy and a hundred billion or so galaxies. Yet this verse says that God put the stars in the firmament "to give light" to the earth. 1:20-21, 2:19 From what were the fowls created? 1:25-26 In the first creation story, God makes humans (male and female) after the other animals; in the second, God makes a man first, then the other animals, and then a woman. 1:26 The use of the plural (us, our) implies that there is more than one god, contrary to many monotheistic biblical statements. 1:27 "According to reliable Bible chronology Adam was created in the year 4026 B.C.E., likely in the autumn of the year, at the end of the sixth day of creation." (April 1, 1968, Watchtower) This was the basis of the failed 1975 prophecy: that Armageddon would occur in 1975, 6000 years after Adam's creation. The basis of the "reliable Bible chronology" was never explained, and the whole 6000 years thing was promptly dropped and forgotten after 1975 passed uneventfully. 1:29 God tells Adam that he may eat from "every tree," but in 2:17 he contradicts himself by saying there is one tree that he may not eat from. Is it okay to eat meat? 1:30 All animals were originally herbivores. Tapeworms, vampire bats, mosquitoes, and barracudas -- all were strict vegetarians, as they were created by God. But, of course, we now know that there were carnivorous animals millions of years before humans existed. 1:31 In Genesis 1 the entire creation takes 6 days, but we know from modern science that the universe is at least 15 billion years old.
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03-26-2002, 11:19 PM | #205 |
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Afro-Elf, with all due respect, I know you are older than me, but how can we be absolutely SURE that the world is millions of years old, and carnivores existed millions of years before humans unless you were there? I don't think you're THAT old
I'm aware that I wasn't there either, but I haven't really used many 'facts' in my arguments.
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03-26-2002, 11:20 PM | #206 |
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Sigh biblical literalists...
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03-26-2002, 11:21 PM | #207 |
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Never said I was a 'literalist'...also known as fundamentalists, or d*mn fundies.
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03-26-2002, 11:50 PM | #208 |
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mostly radio-dating on the anti-thiest thread there are several responce to theist decries but you may have to read through the thread I would encourage that to get both sides
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03-26-2002, 11:52 PM | #209 |
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Let me start off by saying that I am a Bible-believing Baptist. I would like to respectfully reply to some of afro-elf's comments.
Re: Genesis 1:20-21; 2:19 - God spoke and they were created. Simple. 1:26 - I believe that the use of the plural (us, we, our) is a sign of the Holy Trinity. Speaking are God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. 1:27 - How does the JW book "Let God Be True" establish that each day of creation took 7,000 years? And who made the 1975 "prophecy"? I believe in the Big Bang theory. God spoke and BANG! it happened.
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This isn't an argument, merely an obliqueness, that I don't understand. Feel free to explain.
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03-26-2002, 11:57 PM | #211 | |
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03-27-2002, 12:04 AM | #213 |
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THIS IS GETTING VERY DISTARCTING
oops sorry about the caps how about we all withdraw from the battle-field and get back to tolkien?
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03-27-2002, 12:10 AM | #214 | |
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03-27-2002, 12:12 AM | #215 | |
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03-27-2002, 12:15 AM | #216 |
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Starr what i mean was that some have doubts about radio-dating
and that responces have been given for them I was just trying to save time IF you said you had doubts about it
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03-28-2002, 03:15 AM | #217 |
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To all theists here, I would like to request a list of the defining attributes of the god(s) you worship/believe in.
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03-28-2002, 06:17 PM | #218 |
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Okay, I just want everyone to know that I post this while I am at school. My books are at home an di can't really access Entmoot at home because my computer is too slow. So when I post I don't have my books with me. I just dig up whatever I can remember from reading them.
Also, if I recall correctly, BeardofPants, you keep talking about how the facts prove an older earth and, while I have been trying to prove otherwise, you simply refute what I have said. Could you please give me the facts (not a link, give me what you are thinking of when you say facts). This will help me considerably. Also, my comment concerning why evolutionists use carbon dating was meant as a joke. I also do not refute the idea of Microevolution. Anyway, that said, to Anduril, I wish to say this: My God is omnipotent, omnipresent, and omniscient. He is good and kind. He is forgiving, but just. His wrath is not to be toyed with, but His mercy is unsurpassable. His grace surpasses all understanding, and His love endures all. He is the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end. He is eternal, the Creator of all things, and the King of all. He will never leave me, but will chastise me when needed. He is a kind Father, a forgiving King, and a friend and guide to me. He gives life and takes it away. He is forever.
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