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. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç å ™ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva! |
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08-19-2004, 07:46 PM | #202 | |
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08-19-2004, 08:56 PM | #203 |
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. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç å ™ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva! |
08-19-2004, 10:50 PM | #204 | |
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Frankly im a little surprised no one has brought up the one thing that really is a gold star for our species. Forget all this garage building and art making nonsense. Has everyone forgotten that we are the ONE species that has breached the womb that is this earth and dabbled precariously out into the cosmos? That’s pretty damn significant. It doesn’t make us “fundamentally different” from other animals but it does give us a serious coup. We are the FIRST earth species (as far as we know) to have begun the arduous process of untethering ourselves from this incubator we were born on. And with that kind of a radical step who knows where evolution will take us.
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08-19-2004, 10:53 PM | #205 | |
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Let me ask you this. If playing your harp did absolutely NOTHING for you and you really truly saw no purpose to it at all would you do it any way? Of course not. There would be no inspiration (if you prefer that word) for you to. Just as theres no real strong inspiration for you to scrape your finger nails on a black board all day long. But the harp you ENJOY. It makes you feel GOOD. So of course why not do that? Sounds like an animal to me.
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08-20-2004, 01:55 AM | #206 | |
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If your explanation of things covers what you observe, then good for you - keep it! If it doesn't, then start seeking. I always think people should think things through for themselves. If your explanation of things covers what I observe, then I would adopt it. But it does NOT cover everything that I observe (altho it covers some) - so I cannot adopt it without compromising my intellectual integrity. Bless your kind heart, IRex. I guess you would deny it exists, or you would say you're driven to be kind by past experiences of endorphin production, or by the desire to pass your genes on, or by your instinct for herd preservation, and you're free to say that. But I think there is more behind it - I think you have a kind heart. As I said, I always know you're gonna post when you see hurting people on the Venting thread. I don't think it's due to your genes, even if you do.
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. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç å ™ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva! Last edited by Rían : 08-20-2004 at 02:01 AM. |
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08-20-2004, 05:57 AM | #207 | |
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I hope these aren't too stupid questions; I always sucked at Biology and instinct was the part I could never reason out
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And all the time the waves, the waves, the waves Chase, intersect and flatten on the sand As they have done for centuries, as they will For centuries to come, when not a soul Is left to picnic on the blazing rocks, When England is not England, when mankind Has blown himself to pieces. Still the sea, Consolingly disastrous, will return While the strange starfish, hugely magnified, Waits in the jewelled basin of a pool. Last edited by sun-star : 08-20-2004 at 08:41 AM. |
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08-20-2004, 06:28 AM | #208 | |
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Your comments are related to what brownie says about humans having only a difference of gradation respect other animals. I can admitt that sentence, more or less. After all, the differece between a difference of gradation (quantitative) and a qualitative difference is just a difference of gradation You think that christian philosophy sees human as a body plus a soul, like two different "beings". More or less in the way in what Plato explained man: an infinite soul imprisioned in a limited body. I, for one, don't agree with that dualistic vision. The man is just one being. We are materials. And all our actions have some material causes and consequences. I am my body. BUT... ... I am spiritual too. Spiritual is not he same as religious, mind you. "Spiritual" has a philosophical sense that reffers to the abilty of doing actions that are not conditioned to the materia. Autoconscience, intelligence (not only rationality), moral sense, historical sense, artistical sense, free will (I'm sorry, Lizra )... are operations that are not conditioned to materia (though they might have material manifestations in us, in our body). You can consider that as only a matter of gradation respect animals, but the thing is that they're of a very higher gradation and that have consequences for our lifes that cannot be present in animals. One of those consequences is that that spiritual condition doesn't give us the right to rule animal's life, but gives us the responsability of caring about them and all the enviromernt.
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08-20-2004, 05:26 PM | #212 | |
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. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç å ™ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva! |
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. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç å ™ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva! |
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I thought FM expressed it well (I added bolding): "Autoconscience, intelligence (not only rationality), moral sense, historical sense, artistical sense, free will (I'm sorry, Lizra )... are operations that are not conditioned to materia (though they might have material manifestations in us, in our body)." And even IF evolution was true, I don't see why art causing activity in the parts of the brain that are supposed to have been around for millions of years matters. I imagine it just means that art and beauty are deep truths that are very important, and we're wired to realize that. Quote:
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. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç å ™ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva! Last edited by Rían : 08-20-2004 at 05:52 PM. |
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and other ones too i guess
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For IRex, I see in his posts (as I mentioned) a real sense of kindness and care for people (even tho he gets mad at me in threads like this one). For YOU, m'dear - (shall I say it? ) For YOU, m'dear, the word that comes to mind is courageous. I see a fearlessness in you that leads to you look more openly at things than some other people will. IMO, you're more willing to accept something on its merits, even if it's unpopular. IMO, you have a courageous heart, and I love that in you. Not that the others are not courageous, or you are not kind or noble - it's just that we all have character traits that are strongest, and those are the ones that I see as strongest in you guys. And that's ... MHO ... for what it's worth.
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. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç å ™ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva! Last edited by Rían : 08-21-2004 at 04:42 PM. |
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