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NORAD is a joint effort between America and Canada which has been in place for 50 years. If you have seen the movie War Games then you know about NORAD - it's located in the Cheyenne Mountains. America of course bears the brunt of the spending on NORAD just like we pay for 70% of NATO. Everyone else just gets a free ride on US tax payers money.
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What's NORAD? If our government did say that, maybe they have some other plan. Perhaps we have our own early detection system or something. However, I still don't think anyone will launch a nuke at us anyway. Quote:
(Guy shouting at TV while watching football) Guy: Pass! Come on make a pass! Aw, no, not that play, do Red 22, it worked in the game against the Steelers! (and its application to this situation) Gen. Rick Hillier: Hello General. Gen. John Abizaid: What are you doing in Iraq? Hillier: Well, I noticed how you deployed your troops in the last skirmish, and I thought I'd come give you some advice. (He takes out a map.) Abizaid: Well, we did take some losses, but we kept them to a minimum. Further, given the cities layout... hey, where's your security clearance? See, we don't do that. That's my point. I don't see how else the term "armchair quarterbacking" would apply, really. Quote:
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As for NORAD et al. Nobody put a gun to your head and made you join. EDIT: How do you get NORAD out of "North American Aerospace Defense Command"? And just because I didn't know about doesn't mean our government or other Canadians didn't. I represent Canada well, but not 100%.
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As for not knowing it - it's just the largest defense system in the world basically.
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Of course we didn't forsee 9/11, but technically Canada wasn't attacked either. (We were horrified at 9/11 though. ) (I apologize for the apparent calousness of the above paragraph. ) Quote:
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"The North American Aerospace Defense Command (NORAD) is a binational military organization formally established in 1958 by Canada and the United States to monitor and defend North American airspace." You can "join" a binational military organization. Sorry about the confusing wordage. Speaking of confusing, I have cross-posted with you again. I'll let you finish the response to my previous post you are most likely typing right now before I go on.
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lert's make a announcement to the world now - no one has to worry about anything happening to them because they were not attacked on 9/11 - thereofre they have nothing whatsoever to worry about. Rogue nukes - who the hell cares - doesn't affect any other country but the US. Now I see why the rest of the world is so far behind the US. You have made it perfectly clear. So good to know we're in this together. Quote:
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Also - I suppose since you "rationally decided" that means that all others who support a missile defense system are being irrational - is that it? Based on your statements though - you haven't seriously educated yourseklf on it - because you wouldn't have made such erroneous statements as to what the missile defense system entails.
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(Well maybe not quite, I don't really know anything about the military. Want to talk about trees? ) I feel like I missed one of your posts...
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(EDIT: You didn't actually say "heads in the sand" here, but that's the tone I got from your post. We know there is a rabid dog, and on the off chance it turns up it turns up in our neighbourhood, we'll either climb a tree or pay you $500 million US to shoot it for us. ) The United States devotes a great deal of resources to its military. I don't blame you for wanting to do that, it's your country and your budget. However, it is also our country and our budget. We don't want to take part in this arms race. Of course we take the risk of having a nuke sent our direction, but we feel the risk is small, and the cost of joining outweighs this risk. If I owned my own house, I would put deadbolt locks on the doors. But a burglar could still smash a window and break in. However, I'm still not going to put bars on the windows. That's not completely analogous, but my point is you can't protect yourself 100%. At some point you just have to accept the risk.
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Well I haven't seen any Canadian news in ages, and it's not a hot story a CBC.com. It is like an arms race. The terrorists have nukes, you build a nuclear defence system. They know you build the defence system, so they trade their nukes for a biological weapon. You learn about that and build a defence..... Quote:
A lot of countries have small armies. If England, you guys, or another big country invaded us, we'd be in serious trouble. (Are you still taking $500 mill. US cheques to bail us out? ) But why would they invade us? Do you currently protect us in the sense that if someone invaded, you'd help us repel them? If you weren't doing that, maybe we would build up our army. But I doubt that we would elevate our military spending to the same proportion of the GNP as the USA. I was trying to figure out exactly what it was but I couldn't find a good source. I'm sure at the moment ours is proportionally lower though.
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Jersey, what the statistics aren't telling you is that Canada is a deeply and regionally divided country. Right now, a lot of the grandstanding by the Liberal government is part of a precarious compromise they are striking to stay in power given that they are an unstable minority in Parliament. Military spending issues in Canada - either for or against - are largely the result of power games more than an actual representation of what the people think, because the thing about Canada is that you can't actually put your finger on what the people think, 58% or otherwise.
Now, for my part, I think it's a shame that Canada has completely left its military in the cold since the Second World War under the false pretense that "not having a real military" lends itself to more effective peacekeeping. I don't think this necessitates a full involvement in such initiatives as ballistic missile defence, but for different reasons - mostly pragmatic ones, and not the philosophical hokum about ceding sovereignty to America (which I don't think is really the case).
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