09-24-2003, 12:28 PM | #2041 |
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Also in the apostle creed, but this is just Catholic church, as in the universal church not "Roman Catholic" as in Catholics as we kno them.
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[quote]St. Ignatius of Antioch used the phrase katholike ekklesia, Catholic Church, the unity of all churches, in letters he wrote during his journey as a prisoner from Antioch to Rome around 107 AD. His use of katholike ekklesia in several letters suggests that it was already in widespread use by then. Quote:
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09-24-2003, 03:59 PM | #2044 | |
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09-25-2003, 06:58 PM | #2045 |
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Thank you Arien the Maia (I would like to know the importance of that name, can you tell me the secret behind it?), A friend of mine told me that a "Christian Baptist" (another "form" of Christianity) only read from the King James verson of the bible, is this true?
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Bizarrely, some of these people believe that the KJV should be the basis for ALL editions of the Bible in ANY language (including Greek and Hebrew!). The thinking is that God knew that in the next few hundred years English would become the universally used language for international communication, so He inspired the committee working on the KJV to produce the most authoritative version possible. (I'm not making this up ) Try Googling on "King James Version Only" for more.
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OK, I see. That is very weird. I preffer to use the NIV version of the Bible. I can understand it better (Don't ask why) than any other bible. Here is another thing, I keep getting e-mail that say this:
> > >>This is something to think about! Since America is typically represented >> >>by an eagle. Saddam should have read up on his Muslim passages... The >> >>following verse is from the Quran, (the Islamic Bible) >> >> >>Quran (9:11) -- For it is written that a son of Arabia would awaken >> >>a fearsome Eagle. The wrath of the Eagle would be felt throughout >> >>the lands of Allah and lo, while some of the people trembled in >> >>despair still more rejoiced; for the wrath of the Eagle cleansed the >> >>lands of Allah; and there was peace. >> >>( Note the verse number!!!!!) Now, is this true? Or is it a joke?
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There was a bit I read the other day from Unger's Bible dictionary that I think sums up one aspect of suffering very well. Speaking about sin and the fall of man, it says (and I added the bolding):
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well, I thought I had a free hour to get in a bit of a post on the subject, but something just came up ... I'll go ahead and post that quote anyway, then discuss it later.
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Sorry if this is changing the current subject a little, but... I'm just wondering, what do Christians believe about non-Christians? I mean, about when they die. Because I haven't really talked to many Christians about Christianity, and I've only gotten a few very different answers to this question. So do you think non-Christians will go to hell when we die? (Sorry if this offends anyone, it's just that I remember a few years ago someone at my school said I would go to hell because I'm Jewish... ).
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What we usually say about salvation of people of other religions is that they must live as it's say in their religions. So a jewish or a muslim cannot salvate if they don't follow "the rules" of their own religion, and fall into living as if God doesn't exist (ie, making Gods of themselves). But we also say, that if a jewish looks for finding the truth and is able to study properly texts as S. Mathew's he may finally embrace christianity.
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09-28-2003, 03:18 AM | #2058 |
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That's something I haven't heard before . . . though I've heard things very similar. The "your truth is as good as my truth" type of statement. Jesus said "No one can come to the Father except through me." The first commandment is "Thou shalt have no other gods before me." The Relativistic view of truth is not to be found in the Bible. If you can come to God by following the rules of your own religion or set of beliefs, why on Earth did Jesus send out and empower his disciples to evangelize the world? He said he is "the truth", not a truth. He said that only through him could people come to God. He also said that most people in this world are actually headed toward hell. He said, “Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.” If most people can come to salvation through their own religion, then Jesus was wrong when he said this. However, this particular topic of discussion, Agalayth, is one that a lot of Christians disagree on. I know a lot of Episcopalians who believe in the Relativistic view of truth. It is common in the Episcopal Church, though far from all Episcopals believe in it. The Evangelical Church has overwhelmingly rejected that view of truth. I don't know about all the other denominations. Meanwhile, there is also debate among Christians as to whether or not death is the end of all chance to come to know Christ. Catholics don't believe so, as they believe in Purgatory. I think most Evangelicals believe that our choices in this life determine absolutely our future eternally. There isn't any Biblical evidence either way, that I know of, which tells us absolutely what happens to people. And for different people, God can judge differently. Not everyone who goes to hell will receive the same level of punishment. Jesus himself said that, when he lived Incarnate on Earth. Not everyone who goes to heaven will receive the same rewards, either. There is a lot of discussion that can happen on the topic of that, but Agalayth, I can't give you firm answers that are for everyone. I cannot just judge everyone of every other religion, for I have no idea of their spiritual condition. Everyone though, must either accept or reject Jesus, now or perhaps in the afterlife. Jesus said that he is the only way to God. One thing that needs to be remembered though, in this question about the afterlife, is that God does not judge people because of their beliefs, but because of their sins. Quote:
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The story of Bellavista
None of you have to read this, if you aren't interested.
And then also we can read the deep pain of the Lord, in his words, about the condition of mankind. Quote:
A huge uprising occurred inside the prisons. Mobs of prison inmates, armed with guns and knives began shooting and killing. The prison guards all fled. The missionary went in, with some comrades, and began a white flag campaign. He was called by the Lord to lead this campaign, and the Lord blessed his efforts. Army soldiers were about to move in to seize control of the situation, but the missionaries had gone in first. God's hand transformed the place, and after that march years passed before any murders occurred inside Bellavista. People's lives were utterly transformed, and they went from being the most evil of people imaginable to people full of goodness and kindness. God's nature had come into them, and they were forgiven of their sins. Last edited by Lief Erikson : 09-28-2003 at 03:47 AM. |
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