Tolkien's Languages - Page 10

OrnelÃrÃ« MistÃ« · 05-05-2003, 02:13 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Almie

Sounds great. Let me try again:
Manen utÃºvielye Eldalambe?

Trans: How have you found the Elf-tongue?
You were asking- in questions, the verb goes at the end of the sentence.
Do you mean, How did you find it, or How do you think it is?
Tuvanen Eldalambe "Ardalambiondesse".

Almie · 05-05-2003, 03:07 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by OrnelÃ*rÃ« MistÃ«
Tuvanen Eldalambe "Ardalambiondesse".

Trans: I found (the) Elf Tongue in Ardalambion.

Ni yando, ar Elflingesse. Tuvanenyes atta loar yÃ¡.

I have had some long breaks in my Quenya studies, though. Now I've promised myself that I'll buy myself the Silmarillion (the English illustrated version; I own currently only the Finnish version) after I've finished the Quenya Course in the Ardalambion site. Two more chapters to go...

And thanks for the note about the verb in questions, OrnelÃ*rÃ« MistÃ«!

Falagar · 05-05-2003, 03:08 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by OrnelÃ*rÃ« MistÃ«
Trans: How have you found the Elf-tongue?
You were asking- in questions, the verb goes at the end of the sentence.
Do you mean, How did you find it, or How do you think it is?
Tuvanen Eldalambe "Ardalambiondesse".

Carnen yando ta.
To answer the other question:
Melin i Quendion lambi.

OrnelÃrÃ« MistÃ« · 05-05-2003, 04:21 PM

Almie:Ni yando, ar Elflingesse. Tuvanenyes atta loar yÃ¡.
Trans: Me too, and in Elfling. I found it two years ago.

Falagar:Carnen yando ta.
To answer the other question:
Melin i Quendion lambi.
Trans: I made it also.
I love the tongues of the Elves.

Melin yando i lambi Quendion, ar ilye lambi Ardo.

Falagar · 05-05-2003, 04:32 PM

CarÃ« may also mean 'do' I believe, in this case it was supposed to mean "I did that also".

OrnelÃrÃ« MistÃ« · 05-05-2003, 04:33 PM

Whoops

Ruinel · 05-05-2003, 04:43 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Almie
Trans: Rules? Rules? We don't need no mean stinking rules! Wild is this thread, and wild that remains. Over my life!

Sounds great. Let me try again:
Manen utÃºvielye Eldalambe?

MÃ¡ra! MÃ¡ra!

Yours:
How found you Elven language?

I also, and Elfingesse. I found it two years ago.

Response:
UtÃºvienyes yando mi Ardalambion.

AlassÃ«, tana utÃºvielyes sina lia! Terceninye nyar ni tana sina lia Ãºfirinuva.

Almie · 05-06-2003, 09:40 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Ruinel
Response:
UtÃºvienyes yando mi Ardalambion.

AlassÃ«, tana utÃºvielyes sina lia!

Trans: I have found it also in Ardalambion. Great (lit. Joy) that you have found it (-s is actually not needed?) this thread.

lia - I like the way you use this word as a modern concept

word order: maybe "lia sina" is better, as in Cirion's Oath ("vanda sina")?

Quote:

Terceninye nyar ni tana sina lia Ãºfirinuva.

Umin hanya quentele tana, an umin hanya ilye quettar!

Lia sina nÃ¡ alasse alta!

OrnelÃrÃ« MistÃ« · 05-06-2003, 03:00 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Almie

Umin hanya quentele tana, an umin hanya ilye quettar!

Lia sina nÃ¡ alasse alta!

Trans: I do not understand that sentence, for I do not understand all words.
This thread is great joy!

Ruinel · 05-06-2003, 06:50 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Almie
Trans: I have found it also in Ardalambion. Great (lit. Joy) that you have found it (-s is actually not needed?) this thread.

lia - I like the way you use this word as a modern concept
word order: maybe "lia sina" is better, as in Cirion's Oath ("vanda sina")?
Umin hanya quentele tana, an umin hanya ilye quettar!

Lia sina nÃ¡ alasse alta!

AlassÃ«, tana utÃºvielyes, sina lia! Terceninye nyar ni tana sina lia Ãºfirinuva.
mentanya-
Joy, that you have found it, this thread! My insight tells me this thread shall not die. (sorry, I meant to put a comma after 'you have found it'.)
mentalyÃ«-
I do not understand (using the root word w/no ending) you said that, for I do not understand all words! Thread this is joy great!
(It is also proper to put the adjective before the noun as in English sentence structure.)
mentanya-
Or vÃ©renya, umin merÃ« quettarinya rÃºcinuva.

OrnelÃrÃ« MistÃ« · 05-07-2003, 02:05 PM

I don't know why, but I translated part of Ruinel's signature, the part about the queen of Eryn Vorn, into quenya. wow, i have NO life.

Falagar · 05-07-2003, 02:08 PM

I've translated a sentence in the Silmarillion into Quenya...guess we're even

OrnelÃrÃ« MistÃ« · 05-07-2003, 02:46 PM

Aha! But I've translated an entire poem, and some of another one. And not just some crappy poem- Emily Dickinson. It's hard to translate the words exactly. The Quenya version could never be as good due to our lack of vocab, but I did manage to get a rough translation.

EDIT: I can post them if you want.

Falagar · 05-07-2003, 02:57 PM

I have wanted to translate The Raven by Edgar A. Poe...
As you may guess, I haven't even tried yet

I have translated another poem too, but mostly I have kept to making sentences, like:
A-nanta i Aran Eldalieva cuiva, ar Moringotto hanuva caurÃ« mi orerya!

A long time since I made this sentence, not sure if it is correct (perhaps rather (...), ar Moringotto rucuva mi orerya!)

Ruinel · 05-07-2003, 07:18 PM

mentalyÃ«-
'But yet the King of the Elven-Folk lives, and the Black Foe shall understand fear within his heart!'

mentanya-
LÃ¡ lÃºmÃ« haryan ana ahya avatar-inya, Falagar. Nan utÃºvienyÃ« sina. Mana quetelle? MÃ¡ra var ÃºmÃ¡ra?

Ragnarok · 05-07-2003, 09:29 PM

Rohirric.

OrnelÃrÃ« MistÃ« · 05-07-2003, 09:34 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Ragnarok
Rohirric.

Ah, glad someone has posted to the original purpose. Cool that it's not Quenya. *sighs* At last. Not that I don't love Quenya.

What Ruinel said, trans:I have no time to change my avatar, Falagar. But I have found this. What do you say? Good or bad?

Ruinel · 05-08-2003, 09:04 AM

MÃ¡ra, OrnelÃ*rÃ« MistÃ«.

Falagar · 05-08-2003, 10:18 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Ruinel
mentalyÃ«-
'But yet the King of the Elven-Folk lives, and the Black Foe shall understand fear within his heart!'

mentanya-
LÃ¡ lÃºmÃ« haryan ana ahya avatar-inya, Falagar. Nan utÃºvienyÃ« sina. Mana quetelle? MÃ¡ra var ÃºmÃ¡ra?

Looks very good!

Quote:

I love that we speak repeated/faithful?
MelmÃ« is a noun though, not a verb ("I love" would be 'melin [yÃ«]'). And sina should be at the end of the sentence, I think...

Ruinel · 05-08-2003, 10:28 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Falagar
Looks very good!

I love that we speak repeated/faithful?
MelmÃ« is a noun though, not a verb ("I love" would be 'melin [yÃ«]'). And sina should be at the end of the sentence, I think...

(Sorry, I don't have my notes with me here at work.)

Le nanquÃ©ta! Answer my question.

Edit: oops... Ni vÃ©lÃ«a 'answer'-lyaâ€¦ sorry.

05-05-2003, 04:21 PM	#184
OrnelÃrÃ« MistÃ« Elven Warrior Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 482	Almie:Ni yando, ar Elflingesse. Tuvanenyes atta loar yÃ¡. Trans: Me too, and in Elfling. I found it two years ago. Falagar:Carnen yando ta. To answer the other question: Melin i Quendion lambi. Trans: I made it also. I love the tongues of the Elves. Melin yando i lambi Quendion, ar ilye lambi Ardo. __________________ "Lot of people say this city looks like Hell," Allie said. She took a long drag from her cigarette. The glowing tip burned a hole in the darkness. "Most people never been to Hell," Jacob said. She looked at him and he could hear the smile in her voice. "And I suppose you have?"

05-05-2003, 04:32 PM	#185
Falagar Death of Mooters and [Entmoot] Internal Affairs Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Oslo, Norway Posts: 2,870	CarÃ« may also mean 'do' I believe, in this case it was supposed to mean "I did that also". __________________ FÃ«anor - Innocence incarnated Still, AikanÃ¡ro 'till the Last battle.

05-05-2003, 04:33 PM	#186
OrnelÃrÃ« MistÃ« Elven Warrior Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 482	Whoops __________________ "Lot of people say this city looks like Hell," Allie said. She took a long drag from her cigarette. The glowing tip burned a hole in the darkness. "Most people never been to Hell," Jacob said. She looked at him and he could hear the smile in her voice. "And I suppose you have?"

05-07-2003, 02:05 PM	#191
OrnelÃrÃ« MistÃ« Elven Warrior Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 482	I don't know why, but I translated part of Ruinel's signature, the part about the queen of Eryn Vorn, into quenya. wow, i have NO life. __________________ "Lot of people say this city looks like Hell," Allie said. She took a long drag from her cigarette. The glowing tip burned a hole in the darkness. "Most people never been to Hell," Jacob said. She looked at him and he could hear the smile in her voice. "And I suppose you have?"

05-07-2003, 02:08 PM	#192
Falagar Death of Mooters and [Entmoot] Internal Affairs Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Oslo, Norway Posts: 2,870	I've translated a sentence in the Silmarillion into Quenya...guess we're even __________________ FÃ«anor - Innocence incarnated Still, AikanÃ¡ro 'till the Last battle.

05-07-2003, 02:46 PM	#193
OrnelÃrÃ« MistÃ« Elven Warrior Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 482	Aha! But I've translated an entire poem, and some of another one. And not just some crappy poem- Emily Dickinson. It's hard to translate the words exactly. The Quenya version could never be as good due to our lack of vocab, but I did manage to get a rough translation. EDIT: I can post them if you want. __________________ "Lot of people say this city looks like Hell," Allie said. She took a long drag from her cigarette. The glowing tip burned a hole in the darkness. "Most people never been to Hell," Jacob said. She looked at him and he could hear the smile in her voice. "And I suppose you have?" Last edited by OrnelÃrÃ« MistÃ« : 05-07-2003 at 02:54 PM.

05-07-2003, 02:57 PM	#194
Falagar Death of Mooters and [Entmoot] Internal Affairs Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Oslo, Norway Posts: 2,870	I have wanted to translate The Raven by Edgar A. Poe... As you may guess, I haven't even tried yet I have translated another poem too, but mostly I have kept to making sentences, like: A-nanta i Aran Eldalieva cuiva, ar Moringotto hanuva caurÃ« mi orerya! A long time since I made this sentence, not sure if it is correct (perhaps rather (...), ar Moringotto rucuva mi orerya!) __________________ FÃ«anor - Innocence incarnated Still, AikanÃ¡ro 'till the Last battle.

05-07-2003, 07:18 PM	#195
Ruinel Banned Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: I have no idea. Posts: 5,441	mentalyÃ«- 'But yet the King of the Elven-Folk lives, and the Black Foe shall understand fear within his heart!' mentanya- LÃ¡ lÃºmÃ« haryan ana ahya avatar-inya, Falagar. Nan utÃºvienyÃ« sina. Mana quetelle? MÃ¡ra var ÃºmÃ¡ra?

05-07-2003, 09:29 PM	#196
Ragnarok Rohirrim Warrior Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: PA Posts: 590	Rohirric.

05-08-2003, 09:04 AM	#198
Ruinel Banned Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: I have no idea. Posts: 5,441	MÃ¡ra, OrnelÃ*rÃ« MistÃ«. Ni melmÃ« sina quÃ©tammÃ« vorima.

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