03-05-2004, 01:06 PM | #181 |
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Love your signature Nazgul King Squirrel, says pretty much all that's needed about the films
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03-05-2004, 01:15 PM | #182 |
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Nazgul King Squirrel
[B]Genius? Define genius. In what was it genial? OK, because I'm resting up so that I can make it to my appointed tests at hospital. Genius: extraordinary intellectual power especially as manifested in creative activity Genial:marked by or diffusing sympathy or friendlines As for the rest of your nit picking, if you think directing is so easy and easier when doing three films at once (something no one has ever even attempted, much less done) then you're beyond hope in understanding any further explanation. __________________________________________________ "If the giving of information is to be the cure of your inquisitiveness, I shall spend all the rest of my days in answering you." Last edited by Spock : 03-05-2004 at 01:59 PM. |
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Spock
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Ah yes, talking of nit picking, do not forget: ‘Genial’ 1. [Obsolete] Pertaining to generation or marriage. 2. Mild, pleasant; comfortable; favourable to life or growth. There, now it is complete, I believe. Quote:
Especially because it would imply an answer to an analysis, instead of making a, oh so witty, observation about the other’s intellect, isn’t it? Who knows, you may had find yourself forced to provide logical arguments to back your position… Yours is a rather faulty logic, Mr. Spock, you see, the level of difficulty of the work does not imply the superior quality of the result. In this case, it is good, entertaining, but where’s the genius? What defines it, the movies not the process, as the mark of genius? I can’t see it, and you provide rigorously no fact to support it either. But I guess that anyone that is not capable to see the, oh so obvious, genius of PJ must be a moron, even those who actually considerer it “just” a good, entertaining, movie, if a lousy adaptation. That, or you were having a tantrum.
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I'm bad, no really... QUOTES: “We made a promise to ourselves at the beginning of the process that we weren't going to put any of our own politics, our own messages or our own themes into these movies. What we were trying to do was to analyze what was important to Tolkien and to try to honor that. In a way, we were trying to make these films for him, not for ourselves. “ PJ “Obviously we're taking this incredible novel and we're adapting it into films, and I think the film is the important thing. “ Peter Jackson on The Today Show, December 5, 2002 |
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calling it a absolute faithful adaptation would be wrong... by the same degree, saying it was just "loosely based in the LoTR" is a bit too far to the other extreme and it is a serious movie in a way that a lot of adventure movies are not... i have a 5 and 9 year old who were obviously harry potter fans... yet both of them were much more excited about watching (and rewatching) LoTR movies... and for kids who had never read the books, i was surprised at how well they grasped some of the more important themes surrounding the ring and the quest on the genius thing... few films and even fewer directors rise to that level... kubrick is the only one that comes to mind as having more than a few works of genius
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03-05-2004, 04:08 PM | #185 |
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Logic cannot overide denial.
This is not logic it is my opinion. Apparently no one is allowed to have an opinion save yourself. Re-read your own PJ statement for support of intent.
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On the matter of the “loose adaptation” I would point out that I was defending that, if it had been his intention to do a loose adaptation, then the result was quite reasonable, meaning that the issue of the faithfulness of the adaptation would be irrelevant, and only the quality of the resulting movie would have any importance. Quote:
Glad they did ; still, I believe that what transpires is a dim reflection of the original, and what it could have been if there was intention of making it more ‘serious.’ As it is, it is rather ‘lighter’ and action oriented than it could have been, if that was the intention. And, btw, I do enjoy a good action or adventure movie Quote:
Precisely, Kubrick was a genius, we agree there, again. And, as I said, I recognise PJ boldness and initiative. But I fail to see the end result of his work as being truly a masterpiece, as say, 2001, but then, not everyone is a Kubrick after all. ]
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You will notice that: You failed to give any evidence supporting the genius of PJ. You refused to explain why my arguments are wrong in your opinion You used insult as argument Logic? Denial? Can’t deny what you didn’t argue in the first place. Cannot see the ‘logic’ of insult. Quote:
Truly? Who called the board as “the unrealistic board," because not all chare your opinion? Who chose insult as an argument against the one with a different opinion? How tolerant are those attitudes? I presented my opinion and why I have it, you reacted with intolerance, not arguments. If you want to point intolerance, I suggest you look at yourself.
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Please stay on topic.
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03-08-2004, 01:20 AM | #189 |
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man, its been weeks and im still in a happy daze about it! It deserved to win! Contrary to most people's opinion, IMHO i think that PJ did a fantastic job. so, he didnt stay true to everything, bbut i think that he stayed very true to the spirit of the book, and imo, thats all that counts.
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Still I find myself smiling to see that LotR did so awesome at the awards. These films have raised the bar for future flicks in this genre. And as adapation of Tolkien's work - of course it's not word for word - but much of the spirit and heart remained to more than satisfy this long time Tolkien reader. Here's to PJ et al, and the $2.5 billion in world wide gross reciepts (for all 3 movies).... kudos!
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03-14-2004, 02:46 PM | #191 |
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**Contrary to most people's opinion, IMHO i think that PJ did a fantastic job. **
Actually, the majority of people agree with you. It's just a minor contingent that find fault (which is fine, they make discussion more interesting). |
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