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This thread is the most current one that I think would be appropriate to be deemed the official "Has Jackson done a good job of adapting TLotR to film" thread. I'd like to see the majority of discussion about this topic be done here, rather than leaking into each thread. That way, we can have a lively debate pro vs. con, and yet the other threads will be available for specific instances, and for other topics unrelated to debate concerning Peter Jackson. I hope this will be satisfactory for everyone.
[I'm not saying you can't debate stuff in the other threads, just that the GENERAL argument regarding Peter Jackson's OVERALL job need not permeate the entire forum, because that has it's very own thread...here. ![]() |
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Not to nitpick, but the Bree gate scene was not made up out of whole cloth. The Nazgul threw down the gates and passed through the town like a gale on October 2, according to Gandalf at the Council. This event left the inhabitants waiting for the world to end, as I recall.
As I've said before, my opinion is that PJ on balance did a quite good job of adapting the books to film. I state this opinion as a dyed-in-the-wool purist in the matter of the books. I am fully aware of every minor (and major) change made from the original, down to being able to list quotes lifted from other parts of the story and inserted into the movie. Personally, I find the attention to detail in using obscure quotes in new ways quite good. [example-the opening lines of FOTR spoken by Galadriel were spoken by Fangorn in ROTK]
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I wanted to respond to a question Root16 asked in the other thread, so I'll just reply here.
He asked what PJ said that demonstrated his lack of knowledge about the books. In addition to making some changes that were a far departure from the book (which I feel that one who knew the books intimately wouldn't have made), in both EEs he asks Phillipa and Fran "was this in the book?" or "This was from the book wasn't it?" This tells me that although he has read the books, he hasn't read them as much as I would have expected someone making the movies to have done. [FYI, I'm not a "Jackson hater," I happen to really like the movies, but I think it's apparent that he is less familiar with ME as presented in the books than he could have been. It may have been intentional, that he didn't want his movie making creativity hampered by a need to stick to the written page, and for that reason he had Phillipa Boyens on board to be the "voice of the book" for him] |
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I think I'm gonna have to agree with you here, Azelia, that he wouldn't have made certain changes had he been more familiar with the books. On the other hand, I'm not that familiar with the books and I wouldn't have made the changes he made. So... heh, I dunno.
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I think the extent to which film adaptions could range for LOTR is particularly large. There are so many different things that different people connect with. There are actually few things that everyone feels unanimous about. And there is tons of stuff, specifics, scenes and characters, that everyone has a different opinion about and connects to in their own ways, as well as the more broader themes which you pointed out. So it's virtually impossible for someone to make a film adaptation which pleases themself, the book readers and also the non book readers and of course the pesky studio that is putting their neck on the line (in the case of New Line, rumor had it if the movie tanked, the studio would go bankrupt).
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One thing we need to keep in mind is that if these films were crappy, then we wouldn't even be having this discussion. The only reason Tolkien Purists are up-in-arms is because these films have touched such a responsive cord around the world and have become so popular in their own right.
I would like to be directed to the parts of the EE where Jackson asks questions about what's in the books. Everything I've seen on both of the EEs lead me to the exact opposite conclusion, that Jackson knew Tolkien's story better than most people. |
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He also said the studio told him they wanted a "roller coster of a film" - So you can see what's influencing him saying these things. If only we lived in a perfect world. You definately make valid points. Something tells me we are going to get the substance we have been craving in the third film, though. The sad thing is, being that New Line was funding the film, it is as much their film as PJ's or Tolkien's! So all the blame can't be heaped on PJ. Most of it, in fact, should be directed to New Line. [Quickbeam]Anway, I think these discussions end up being a moot point.[/Quickbeam] Last edited by Root16 : 11-20-2003 at 07:22 PM. |
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