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Okay guys, I think that's about enough. I will be doing some more editing to these posts. Anymore of this bickering, and this thread will be closed.
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This is one of the reasons why the democrats lost the election...
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Carole Simpson of ABC News compared the states who voted for Bush to the slave holding states of the 19th century.
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I can make the same type of snide comment about the liberals being uninformed though too and that's why they voted for Kerry.
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I don't really think that this report can be used to demonstrate - since it's a year old (October 2003) and the poll it's based on is almost 2 years old (January 2003) - that it can be shown that this is how people felt while they voted in November 2004. Anyway - I for one have never believed that Hussein was involved with 9/11 - because right from the beginning - it has always been stated as being Al Qaeda and bin Ladin. There is however evidence of communication between Hussein and bin Ladin (in both directions) through the years and that is in the 9/11 Commission Report. So I don't know what kind of education Michael Moore feels he needs to give me.
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OK, you can go to the PIPA website's main page http://www.pipa.org to find more recent surveys. There aren't any exit polls. That is not what they do. They take surveys on public perceptions. That will give you an understanding of why liberals like me believe the public is misinformed on Iraq. Most of us blame the press, whether or not we are correct. And most of us liberals target FOX as the biggest offender.
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so when did this become a lets trash/defend michael moore thread exactly?
heres a few jokes to lighten things up a bit. then i say we get back to discussing the election and its after effects: A vacationer from New York found his way into a bar in Billings, Montana and began some serious drinking. After he was well past the legal limit, he stood up and shouted, "Every last Democrats is a horses' ass!" The crowd jumped on him and beat him up. After a week he returned to the same bar and, had some drinks and stood up and shouted, "Every last Republican is a horses' ass!" The crowd descended upon him and beat him into silly putty again. He asks the bartender, "Who are these people anyway?" "You don't understand," the bartender replied. "This is horse country." *** There's a new bumper sticker that says "Run, Hillary, Run." The Democrats put it on their back bumper, and Republicans put it on their front bumper. *** Mrs. Bush is opposed to same-sex marriage. She’s been trying to get George to do something different for years. *** Republicans and Democrats have a lot in common. Republicans wear $1,000 suits, and Democrats drive $1,000 cars. with me now... ha ha...
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I'm wondering - how many people know that the Congressional Hearings on the Oil for Food Scandal will be held next week. It's amazing - the only way I hear about that is from Fox News, while CNN, ABC and others don't mention it at all. It's good that you targest Fox - but if you watch them, as well as other networks - it gives a more well rounded idea of what is going on. I can go on CNN - see the statements about how the war is going terrible and the people hate us there, then I can go to Fox and get the other side of the story. That is how I make MY decisions.
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heres a few jokes to lighten things up a bit. then i say we get back to discussing the election and its after effects: with me now... ha ha...[/QUOTE] Trying to play the part of Rian - by breaking the tension here?
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All I'm saying is that it is our perception on the left that the public is misinformed on Iraq, and we blame FOX to a great extent.
Another report that is linked to the front page of that survey website is called "The Separate Realities of Bush and Kerry Supporters". The PDF linked under "Report of Findings" (dated one month ago) indicates: Quote:
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I can equally say the same thing regarding CNN in terms of this election - but instead siding with Kerry and twisting the truth there. I have seen no evidence of FOX ever making those statements - and I do watch FOX. Now do YOU watch FOX - or are you just going by a faceless poll to make your opinion stand that it is Fox's fault about what these people believe? Maybe they got their ideas from something else - but just happen to be FOX viewers. And anyway - if they ONLY watch FOX - do you really think that they're going to go watch a Michael Moore movie? That's the problem with many polls and studies like this - they can ignore the other issues and try to fit something in to back up their preconceived notions. As I said - the people could have gotten their information from other sources that led them to believe this, but are FOX viewers. It does not mean that FOX is to blame for their views or even encouraged them. BTW - I think much of the public is misinformed about a lot of things - I just don't think, like you seem to, that the majority of them are republicans. I think there are people who support both sides who are misinformed or believe erroneous information. It isn't like Michael Moore is spreading the truth.
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I was very careful to word my reply. I think the American public is misinformed. I blame the news media. I did not point at specific people in specific parties. The 15 page PDF, however, does line up those who were planning to vote one way or the other with their perceptions. In any case, I think the survey is sufficient to show why we on the left feel the public in general is misinformed about Iraq. For the record, the Ba'ath Party are secular socialists and al Qaeda is theocratic, as is Saudi Arabia where most of the hijackers originated. Al Qaeda and the Ba'athists have long held one another in contempt. |
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Michael Moore is far far more out there than Rush Limbaugh. Which - I'm sure you'll disagree with. But they're not comparable. Michael Moore's movie was shoved in people's faces wherever you turned, tv commericial, new media, european movie awards, theater marques, hollywood - it was all over the place and his lies and his attitude were pissing off people. Do you really think it's any different to vote for Bush because of Michael Moore than the ridiculous democrat position of "anyone but Bush". So to answer your question - yeah I can see voting for someone just to spite a person - because most democrats weren't voting FOR Kerry - but AGAINST Bush - and you can't deny that. How many Kerry avatars were on entmoot, compared to the number of "anyone but Bush" avatars?
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