08-27-2004, 08:29 PM | #181 |
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Yes - remind me if I forget, I'm heading out to dinner with my dad and the kiddos now.
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. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç å ™ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva! |
08-27-2004, 09:44 PM | #182 | |
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08-27-2004, 10:03 PM | #183 | |
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remember little sminty? she rarely comes here any more but we would talk often about philosophical things and i can remember one time when she blew up at me because we were having an argument about music and i guess i pushed her buttons or something and she had some serious choice words for me that i cant fully repeat here but I actually saved because i found them so wonderful when someone can express complete rage at me in well worded prose and doesnt hold back an iota. i have such respect for that. so no. going toe to toe with me doesnt make me angry. it makes me respect you. complaining about words like "silly" and "foolish" doesnt though.
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You're coming across as pretty mean. I hope you'll listen to me when I say this is a bad course of action. Really bad. Try to change and you'll make more friends and feel better about yourself. I doubt you'll listen to me. Instead you'll become defensive, argue against me. But this is an honest criticism from a friend, a suggestion offered with good intent. With love. Not because of the Bible, but because of friendship. ~Lief
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08-28-2004, 12:54 AM | #185 | |
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If you say that's correct, I'm fully willing to accept that your beliefs are consistent. But I won't let you have it both ways, baby! Anger implies blame, which implies - yes - free will choices. I'm not mad at a person that hits me if someone else took their arm and used it to hit me against their will. And I hope, given your worldview, that you wouldn't be angry at people that oppose homosexual marriage, since you think their genes and environment made them be that way.
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. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç å ™ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva! Last edited by Rían : 08-28-2004 at 12:55 AM. |
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08-28-2004, 12:59 AM | #186 | |
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You never answered my question. Would you please answer my question? Here it is again: So can I use the word "nigger", and as long as I do it in an informal manner, like a big bear who wants to play, it's ok with you? (And even tho you like Sminty's style, I'll continue to post in the way that I think is best I think people should do what they think is right, don't you?)
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. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç å ™ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva! |
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my whole point in bringing this up is just in saying don’t be afraid to play rough with me I don’t mind. Not that you have to get downright hostile or blow up necessarily but feel free to throw a few punches. I can handle them. And theres such a thing as friendly wrestling and joking around. Or does the bible say we shall not engage in such activity? Quote:
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its real simple. If you cant handle joking around and intense passionate discussion then don’t engage in them. Talk only to pleasant happy people who don’t find some of your views on reality despicable or illogical so that you aren’t hurt or offended when they rightfully express these feelings in response to your OWN posts to THEM. Then everything will be just fine for you in your little bubble. Or put on your gloves and engage in discussion where we DO recognize CERTAIN boundaries but DON’T act as the worlds moral authority and tell people even the most innocent of joking around and impassioned interaction is evil and wrong.
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Honestly im not saying you need to let me brutalize you here. I mean at most message boards im pretty much middle of the road as far as beligerance goes so im not really sure why im being tagged with the horrible bastard tag here really. im pretty mellow and easy going normally. i just enjoy joking around and debating passionatly. remember the whole rian the baby killer? we went back and forth about that for weeks and it was always in a funny joking way. how come i didnt have lief and others jumping down my throat for being mean and immoral when i first said that?
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My point is that I think you should look more closely at how you're using such words, when and to whom. Just be a bit more careful of others' feelings in the discussion.
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I can only be who i am. if i try to force myself into being all sachrine and nausiatingly friendly and ignore any comments that simply scream out call me silly then ill probably explode. i cant do that. so if you have another suggestion in how i deal with people like you who dont like to joke around in that way then im all ears. perhaps we can meet half way. perhaps i can toughen you up a bit and you can show me how to be sweet and lovey dovey and gushy when i interact with people.
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If people have these emotions that push them toward breaking the law more then the rich people do, they're more likely to succumb to the temptation. Where there's more temptation, there's more likelihood of succumbing to that temptation. Even from a free will standpoint that's accepted. I know that if I was in a situation where everyone around me is corrupt and accepting bribes, I would be far more likely to enter into the same type of behavior then I am now, where there's no temptation whatsoever. HOWEVER, I still have control. I could choose not to involve myself in that corruption. There are people that do that, individuals who are that strong. Some are killed because of their morality in an immoral environment. Others change the environment through their own integrity (though this is rarer). Quote:
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I think this thread has become "Rian, Lief and Insidious debate about all things great and small. And then debate about debating."
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I'm teaching fencing on Saturdays, usually. There are a lot of beginners there, trying to improve. They are terrible at fencing. Do I tell them exactly how terrible they are and then help them improve? Or do I encourage them, tell them what they're doing right at the same time as telling them some of the wrong things? If I tell them they're terrible and then instruct them, many of them will never come back to fencing. They'll be hurt. If I tell them they're doing well and encourage them as I teach them, they'll keep getting more and more involved. My two younger brothers write stories and books entirely because of my influence and encouragement. Telling ways to improve in my opinion should be usually linked with encouragement. I've seen nothing but good results from that, friendships blossoming at the same time as enthusiasm to progress increases and the words of criticism are heeded. It's not our responsibility to give the people "training for life", by hurting them. The U.S. military does that because otherwise they'll be more likely to get shot dead. That's different. Quote:
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08-28-2004, 11:45 AM | #196 |
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Just sent the new topic. I find it amusing . Shall we move?
(mutters to himself) There I may also be able to talk with brownjenkins about religion . . .
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My grandmother (who died 20 years ago) used the word "nigger" every time she referred to an African-American (she was raised in Georgia). Yet I NEVER heard her use it in a derogatory way. To her, it was a descriptive word to distinguish a person you were talking about, like how I would use "Asian" ("no, not that guy, the Asian guy"). Yet "nigger" is a word with such painful associations to so many, that if she were alive today, I would ask her to consider stop using it because of that. All I was trying to do was to point out the inconsistencies in your argument, and the sad lack of consideration for others in your attitude. I'm not trying to say which words you should say; I'm only trying to say please reconsider your underlying attitudes and justifications, because words are powerful. "Its just how I play" is a sad excuse for hurting people. I'm not into telling people what to do; I will, however, ask them to think about something if I think they're unaware that they are hurting people. The ball is now in your court; I've done what I felt I needed to do. Go ahead and use whatever words you want to, and I will choose to point it out when it gets too frequent and abusive, IMO, which typically happens when you don't have a logical answer to my questions I ignore LOTS and LOTS of what I consider insulting words from you, but it was just getting so bad and so frequent in the last few days that I felt I had to comment. Words like that are typically used to distract, and since you haven't answered my questions, I guess either you don't understand them or you don't have a good answer that's consistent with what you've said in the past so you're trying to throw little word bombs into the air to cover it up. (you've invited me to give you a hard time, so here it is yet I will continue to do so without using terms that I think are rude and also have nothing to do with the subject). Quote:
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The "baby-killer" thing was pretty obviously a joke. I don't see any joke in the way you've used words like "fool", etc. You seem dead serious. And that's your right; but it's my right to point out your use of words and what I think that use demonstrates.
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Got that transferred too .
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08-28-2004, 01:50 PM | #199 | |
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I think the use-of-words part we can prob. wrap up here, if that's ok, because I for one am done with it. The ball's in his court. (and I hope he does a better job with it than the US Olympic men's bball team!)
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. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç å ™ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva! |
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08-28-2004, 01:52 PM | #200 |
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I'm not quite done. I moved everything. I'm really enjoying applying this cool expression to myself .
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