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*reads thru thread* Wow, TONS of interesting thoughts! I guess I'll start by addressing a few comments. Hang on, getting some quotes...
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. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç å ™ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva! |
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And this : "If you refuse to submit to the law of prudence when walking on slippery ice, then you will submit to the law of gravity!" (a C.S. Lewis example) And this : "If you submit to following this recipe, then you will have a delicious cake!" Quote:
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. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç å ™ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva! |
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R*an, I love how you make a post that says you're going to make another post. And the 8000+ post count becomes abundantly clear...
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You could also say "abide by" these rules. So WRT Biblical submission, are you saying it's like abiding/submitting to some rules? About the next part you posted about Jesus... I completely agree that Jesus was radical and took a lot of risks. I think we agree with each other that Jesus was a wonderful person who was kind to everyone, even those despised by society, and He even forgave those responsible for crucifying him! However I don't entirely understand how this relates to the rest of your post. Did Jesus make comments about what a marriage should be like and/or the idea of (Biblical) submission? Quote:
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To answer your question though, it depends what you're trying to decide. If everyone agrees, a simple coin toss could decide the outcome. Otherwise, I guess we'd have a debate with a neutral moderator and then take a vote again. If we still didn't have a majority, we could make comprimises until a majority was happy with the outcome/decision/law/etc.
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Psst, JD, yer quote tags are showing.
Though I'm certainly not convinced that Biblical submission is a good idea, I get the impression from R*an that it's laws or rules for the husband and the wife. The rules are different for men and women for some reason I don't understand, and R* said she'd get into in a later post.
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Because God said so, naturally.
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(I just checked out the post you gave me a link to, Nurvs - #70)
*puts it in queue* Whew! Lots to think about and discuss! Falagar - I'm assuming that's your own personal opinion. Could you elaborate, please, on why you think "Because God said so" is a good reason? I'd like to hear
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Nurvi - is it true that "you have no problem with the connotation of comparing biblical submission to abiding by the law?" I didn't see you say that anywhere
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. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç å ™ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva! |
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At least this is how it seems to me.
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No, I mean when you were offering that reason, "Because God said so, naturally", were you speaking for your own beliefs? or were you speaking for what you thought other people's beliefs were? or were you speaking for what you thought my beliefs were? or what?
(and Aikanáro rocks!!)
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. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç å ™ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva! Last edited by Rían : 03-21-2005 at 04:53 PM. |
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It was mostly a dumbed-down version of what I believe the debate will end at (that is, Christians will use the Bible while the other side naturally won't accept it). I'm what one may define as an agnostic, so I don't really take sides. Wussy, I know.
Star Wars on the telly, probably stumbled a lot in the explanation. Got to get back to Hoth. Nice to see there are more Aegnor-fans about.
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Well, if you "don't really take sides", then what's your dumbed-down version of what non-Christians will say? Let's be fair here!
(and agnostics take sides, too! They take the agnostic side, which from what I've seen is very often to not make a decision, which in itself IS making a decision!) But nevermind - perhaps it would just be better to just let people speak for themselves - you might be surprised! Your dumbed-down version is totally misrepresenting my views, btw, altho it might represent some other people's views. And I thought it was a teensy bit ridiculing, too, which is not like you, Falagar ) Ah, Aikanáro .. "In battle the light of his eyes was like flame, though otherwise he was a generous and noble spirit." "But too soon in the North-wind his flame will go out!" I don't blame Andreth ...
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There are two major points of confusion here. The two points are "What does 'submission' mean in this context?" and "What is Biblical submission?" I believe that you are qualified to explain this, but I wouldn't think less of you if you were not. (There are things I don't feel qualified to explain about my own beliefs, that's just how it is sometimes.) I think you have laid the groundwork for your explanation well and we're all ready to dive right in to the heart of the matter. What is Biblical submission? What must the husband do? What must the wife do?
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