02-11-2005, 01:11 PM | #181 |
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TWFM - why don't you at least try to explain it from a different angle, or using different terms or analogies. It seems to be a reasonable request from inky. These are complex ideas, and a request to rephrase something that is not understood is normal and reasonable, IMHO. Communication is not an exact science!
And would you please answer my question in post #177? Thanks
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02-12-2005, 02:13 PM | #183 |
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To see things from another point of view implies a common vantage point. Utter individualism excludes that. Why, one may as well argue that one is self-derived and that one's parents and upbringing were all imagination, as is the rest of the world. Makes it rather difficult to communicate! Even BoP's sig quotation of Nietzche allows more than that "Morality is the herd instinct in the individual". But the chasm that separates individuals is unbridgeable in a completely self-derived ethic. There is no common ground or vantage point.
I do not myself adhere to that point of view. The individual is not most highly developed and free when completely absorbed into self. The individual is most free when it is enabled to be its proper self in relation to all of Creation and Creator. But perhaps that it better on the Why You Believe Thread. It is apparent in TWFM's response that he perceives no commonality. That is very convenient for his point of view and renders response impossible at this juncture. I do remain available.
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02-14-2005, 02:13 PM | #184 | |
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02-14-2005, 06:16 PM | #186 |
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OK, maybe I overreacted - it's happened once or twice before ...
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. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç Ã¥ â„¢ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva! |
02-14-2005, 06:23 PM | #187 |
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plus, the not being a native english speaker thing?
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02-14-2005, 06:31 PM | #188 |
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Wait, I thought he was from the US - I thought I remembered wondering why he chose Milan, because he had a US location ... Are you a native English speaker, TWFM? If not, then I was too "hasty", as Treebeard would say, and I apologize. Where are you from? I haven't been to Milan, tho I've been to Florence and Venice and Rome
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. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç Ã¥ â„¢ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva! |
02-14-2005, 08:18 PM | #189 | |
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I guess for some people 'good' morals/ethics can be learned, whereas others need to work out an ethical framework for themselves, based on a lot of introspective self-reflection...I'm not sure that religion (or lack of) is what separates the two groups though. For some, especially those who practice a religion that they were not born into, the process of 'choosing' a religion itself might involve a very reflective process of realising the values they consider paramount (er..yeah..i guess i'm a subjectivist ) This reminds me of a conversation I had with my best friend not too long back. (I'm agnostic..probably ; she is quite staunchly Christian). She attends youth group meetings at her church, and at one of them the leader asked everyone "what makes a good Christian". Apparently some guy there spoke at length about how we must work out what is "good", and "right"; but my friend's response was simply that a good Christian follows "what God says" I guess for the other guy, it was just never that simple |
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02-15-2005, 01:08 PM | #190 |
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I think it's a combination of both.
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. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç Ã¥ â„¢ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva! |
02-15-2005, 02:04 PM | #191 |
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I am not a native speaker, but I would certainly be able to rephrase what I said in at least a couple of ways. The reason why I don't want to do so is that I don't want to carry on several bitter conversations at once. Personally, I came here to talk about LotR, but then I saw posts that I found objectionable and I started posting in them; I am not sure either of the decisions was wise.
I am orginally from nearby Milan, but I live in the US now. |
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02-15-2005, 07:15 PM | #194 |
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I think both Insidious Rex and Rian are right on this one. I am not planning to leave (I never planned to leave the book-related part of the board).
Rian, yes, I seem to remember that I had originally put my current US location in my profile and then took it away |
02-15-2005, 08:56 PM | #195 |
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One shouldn't leave because of the rough and tumble of debate, not in the 'Moot nor in the public square. The exchange of ideas, viewpoints and philosophies is vital to an informed proletariat, public, bourgeious, underclass, and individuals.
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I'd say where I thought you were from, but I think I'll stop while I'm ahead! Glad you're staying Now, do you want to answer my question about your option #2? (post 177)
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. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç Ã¥ â„¢ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva! |
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So the answer is that I feel that there are situations in which for the good of the unborn (that would be otherwise born) it is ethically the right thing to have an abortion. I am not saying that abortion should always be used. I am saying that sometimes the life prospects of the unborn look so bleak that abortion is ethically preferable. This is the case when the small chance of happiness is not worth the big chance of unhappiness. I understand that the evaluation of these chances is far from objective, but it is also true that after the abortion the non-life is not painful for the unborn. I answered because you really wanted an answer and I hope you are not too hurt/angered. I also hope not to have to drag the discussion overlong |
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"So the answer is that I feel that there are situations in which for the good of the unborn (that would be otherwise born) it is ethically the right thing to have an abortion. I am not saying that abortion should always be used. I am saying that sometimes the life prospects of the unborn look so bleak that abortion is ethically preferable. This is the case when the small chance of happiness is not worth the big chance of unhappiness. I understand that the evaluation of these chances is far from objective, but it is also true that after the abortion the non-life is not painful for the unborn." In the event of incompatible with life syndromes or medically threatening the life of the mother, I understand the option for abortion as ethically viable. But those are defined parameters. I am not sure that your perception of"the small chance of happiness is not worth the big chance of unhappiness" fits in, however. Also, what does the assertion "after the abortion the non-life is not painful for the unborn" mean? This statement is a quadruple negative ( a-, non-, not, un-). It seems to say that the absence of life is good in essence. That seems a religious sort of statement or at least a profound belief.
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