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Humans are definitely difficult!
They're also wonderful, glorious, interesting, fun, amazing, etc. But they are only part of reality, and I continue to fight against the opinion that some have that truth is necessarily difficult/complex. I think that there are simple truths, too. IMO, the difficulty of a concept has nothing to do with whether or not it is true. EDIT - Lief, disapproval noted
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. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç Ã¥ â„¢ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva! Last edited by RÃan : 03-27-2006 at 02:02 PM. |
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This leads to paradox (another human concept that has more to do with language than reality ) since truth, by definition, is universal but, in practice, never is. In other words, "truths" seem to contradict one another and seem difficult/complex because we have given far more power to the word "truth" than humanity has the ability support.
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. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç Ã¥ â„¢ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva! |
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03-27-2006, 02:26 PM | #185 |
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If the world has indeed, as I have said, been built of sorrow, it has been built by the hands of love, because in no other way could the soul of man, for whom the world was made, reach the full stature of its perfection. ~Oscar Wilde, written from prison Oscar Wilde's last words: "Either the wallpaper goes, or I do." Last edited by Lief Erikson : 03-27-2006 at 03:08 PM. |
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03-27-2006, 03:11 PM | #190 | |
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I don't think so. To me a critically important meaning of truth is "the state of reality". You're a nice young lady. That's the state of reality, the truth . IMO. If someone else sees it differently, that doesn't mean that there are two clashing truths. It just means that humans differ. I might be wrong or the other person might be wrong. What we believe isn't necessarily truth- it's belief about truth. It's opinion about the state of reality. And the actual state of reality is the truth.
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That's a real good point there, rohirrim! Good one. Yes, it's true, there's all kinds of subterfuge in nature. Butterflies with fake eyes on the wings, animals that puff up to trick their enemies, the list goes on and on.
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There are many definitions of truth, I was refering to this definition:
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(in response 2 Rohirrim)
Truth - a concept. Humans think about truth, they want to call something true or false. Reality - the state of existence. Things exist, the universe exists, we exist. That is the reality of things, entirely independent of whether or not this person or that person believes reality to be true, false, or a mixture of both, or neither, or whatever.
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That is why when people say, "you have your truth, I have my truth," or, "we all have our own different truths," I utterly, totally disagree. We all have our own beliefs and our own opinions. We don't have our own truths. So I guess any disagreement we have (and this goes for Lotesse and Rohirrim too) largely just comes from different definitions of the word truth.
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this is becoming an interesting exchange in semantics I must say.
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