08-17-2002, 03:34 AM | #181 |
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I think so. Definitely wicked. Selfish, prideful, bitter, malicious, fell, fey and corrupt.
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08-17-2002, 03:46 AM | #182 |
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I wouldn't agree to evil and corrupt. But I should look up the definitions of the words. To me evil would imply having motives besides being far too prideful, selfish and bitter. And he did have good cause for his bitterness. And pride...I mean, he did make the Silmarils, after all...
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08-17-2002, 03:59 AM | #183 |
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Think if he had done his deeds to you. How would you feel?
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08-17-2002, 04:03 AM | #184 |
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Were his actions of an evil nature? Undoubtedly. Look up the definition in the dictionary, and tell me you can't apply it to him. Remember the kinslaying, and the oath that he bound his children to. However, I don't think that he is a villain. Not in the true sense of the word. Now Morgoth was a villain. Saruman was a villain. Sauron was a villain. What did they have in common? Domination, and subjucation. Was this Feanors ambition? Not as far as I can see.
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08-17-2002, 04:09 AM | #185 |
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Err- yes. Feanor definatly had an urge to dominate. Remember the urge for power, and the desire for realms in middle earth?
It's a likely factor in the burning of the ships. Villain. Evil. Bang the gavel.
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08-17-2002, 04:11 AM | #186 |
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Are those the only criteria for a villian?
vil·lain Pronunciation Key (vln) n. A wicked or evil person; a scoundrel. A dramatic or fictional character who is typically at odds with the hero. (also vln, v-ln) Variant of villein. Something said to be the cause of particular trouble or an evil: poverty, the villain in the increase of crime. Obsolete. A peasant regarded as vile and brutish.
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08-17-2002, 04:13 AM | #187 |
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Okay...first definition, perhaps. Second? Definitely not.
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08-17-2002, 04:18 AM | #188 |
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08-17-2002, 04:19 AM | #189 |
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Hey- isn't Melkor the hero?
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08-17-2002, 04:23 AM | #190 |
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Right so it's settled then. Feanor. Evil. Eol. Misguided.
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Feanor. Evil. (fine, I agree. Maybe that's why I liked him...(see sig. )) Eol. Evil.
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08-17-2002, 04:26 AM | #192 |
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They both would have serverd jail time.
Well, maybe not. If they were famous they probably would have gotten off.
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08-17-2002, 04:58 AM | #193 |
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Well, it's not that simple.
Feanor is guilty of an evil action or two -- I don't necessarily think that this makes him an evil person. And as far as I am concerned, comparing Feanor to Eol is like comparing apples and oranges.
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I think Feanor and Eol both became possessed. Feanor with his love for the Silmarils, Eol with his hate against the Noldor. Neither of them were in origin wicked.
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Oh I see. I misunderstood. I was thinking of logical comparativeness, you were thinking of the gravity of their evil actions.
But I agree with you and SGH. Feanor was responsible for evil deeds, but ne wasn't an evil person.
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ARRRGGGHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Yep, they're all coming over to the dark side, A-E.
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