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At this point, I think it would be wise to explore what each person's definition of "urge" is, and how "urge" is or is not an integral part of what makes a human being unique. This word Urge -
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An impulse that prompts action or effort; An involuntary tendency to perform a given activity; an instinct; an instinctive motive; a strong restless desire;
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. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç å ™ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva! |
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Is being heterosexual an urge, do you think?
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. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç å ™ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva! |
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02-27-2006, 04:55 PM | #187 |
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all my efforts seem to be going to naut.............it was a sincere compliment
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Or to put it another way, I think that the desire for homosexual or bisexual expression is just as real as the desire for heterosexual expression. I don't particularly like that word "urge", but it's the best I can think of now, and as I look at the definition, actually it seems pretty descriptive. IMO it's important to distinguish between the urge and the act, in order to discuss the issue more accurately.
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But you use the word "urge" over and over again, in order to (I can only surmise) label non-heterosexuality as a whole. So, homosexuality and bisexuality ought to be just as much an inborn trait as is being born heterosexual. You don't feel an "urge" to be with your husband, or a male, right? It is just a part of who you naturally were born, or are. Such are those of us who are born naturally to be gay or bisexual rather trhan born to be heterosexual. It is no more an urge than it is an urge to be born blonde, but if you were born blonde and society around you insisted it was the "right and normal way" to want to be or strive to be brunette, and there were clubs and focus-groups that helped you in your decision to renounce your blonde-ness and become the right-way brunette, well... is that right?
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What?! What does that have to do with anything. Obviously, pain is inevitable and suffering is optional in LIFE, Spock. How does that one-liner have anything to do with the conversation about homo- and bi-sexuality that is going on here? Yet aNOTher one-liner out of nowhere from our resident self-styled cryptic sage.
SO - back to talking about urges and how an urge is or is not separated from an inborn reality. Rian? back to urges and whatnot - as I was saying, It is no more an urge than it is an urge to be born blonde, but if you were born blonde and society around you insisted it was the "right and normal way" to want to be or strive to be brunette, and there were clubs and focus-groups that helped you in your decision to renounce your blonde-ness and become the right-way brunette, well... is that right?
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That one couldn't have been handled by pm though. I felt that we were getting too far into theory and stats and whatnot and that a personal perspective would be helpful. Since it apparently has been helpful, I don't feel uncomfortable for having said it. But thank you for reminding me to be careful. I have been known to be a tad too trusting.
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I wasn't implying Persians created Islam though. Heh, oops. And about Mullahs... er, yikes? About the "urge" thing, Dictionary.com defines the noun: 1. The act of urging. 2. A. An impulse that prompts action or effort: suppressed an urge to laugh. B. An involuntary tendency to perform a given activity; an instinct: “There is a human urge to clarify, rationalize, justify” (Leonard Bernstein). And sexuality (n.): 1. The condition of being characterized and distinguished by sex. 2. Concern with or interest in sexual activity. 3. Sexual character or potency. urge =/= sexuality
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1. You should act on ANY urge you have or else you're "denying" who you are (I assume you don't think this). 2. You should decide WHICH urges you think you should act on (and here, we would have different categories, based on our personal opinions). This is NOT denying who you are; quite the contrary! It's FACING who you currently are and deciding to try to act in a different manner than what would currently come naturally, as opposed to letting your urges make you their slave. I think each person should decide for themselves (option 2). Do you? Quote:
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Good post, IRex! Lots of thoughtful points.
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Furthermore, I think resisting your “natural” urge to drink (if you are an alcoholic) is a necessary evil because alcohol abuse is so bad for you that’s its by far worth the risk of any psychological or physical issues that may come about by resisting what to your body is a natural state. I do not, however, think this applies AT ALL to homosexuality. Of course as a Christian you believe they are sinning and therefore not having gay sex is to their benefit despite the psychological risks of denying their natural urges. That’s where the split occurs. Quote:
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If I may say, w/o being battered; I always associate the term gay with 40's movies and to mean happy. It's sad that I can't use that term today without it having a sexual connotation.
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I have to agree, concerning the term gay. The ubiquitous sexual connotations wouldn't be so bothersome if the word retained the older meaning of 'happy', but now if it isn't used in a sexual sense it's usually used to indicate that something is stupid, or abnormal.
I think the worst part is that perfectly nice people use it as an insult without even thinking about what they're actually saying, even after you've told them that you find it offensive.
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